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HERITAGE KITCHENER MINUTES
NOVEMBER 2, 2010 CITY OF KITCHENER
The Heritage Kitchener Committee met this date, commencing at 4:02 p.m.
Present: Mr. K. Kirby - Chair
Councillor J. Gazzola, Ms. A. Oja and Messrs. T. Benedict, I, Mota, L. Robertson and G.
Zeilstra.
Staff: L. Bensason, Co-ordinator - Cultural Heritage Planning
M. Wade, Heritage Planner
D. Gilchrist, Committee Administrator
DTS-10-179 - ‘REVISED’ HERITAGE PERMIT APPLICATION HPA 2010-IV-019
1.
- 300 JOSEPH SCHOERG CRESCENT
- PROPOSED DRIVE SHED ALTERATIONS
The Committee considered Development and Technical Services Department report DTS-10-
179, dated October 27, 2010, recommending refusal of the second revised Heritage Permit
Application HPA-2010-IV-019. The report also recommends that the owner amend the
application to include only specified works and that the amended application, as recommended
in the staff report be approved with one condition. Finally, staff recommends that they
continue to work with the owner to attempt to address the parking need.
Ms. M. Wade presented the report, noting that consideration of Development and Technical
Services Department report DTS-10-171, dated September 17, 2010, concerning a Heritage
Permit Application for this property, was deferred at this Committee’s October meeting. The
concern at that time was the loss of 3 parking spaces, the need to find an alternate location for
these spaces and what impact this relocation may have on the reasons for designation. Since
that time, a revised application has been submitted, with six different elements; some of the
work having already been completed.
Ms. Wade then provided a rational for the staff recommendation to refuse this application. She
noted that staff supports some elements of this application; however, a separate application
needs to be submitted as the committee can only recommend approval or refusal of an entire
application and can not recommend approval of part of an application. She advised that staff
are supportive of 4 of the 6 elements and suggests amendments for the other two.
Ms. Wade explained that the owner wishes to find parking opportunities on the property as
they find that 3 parking spaces are not sufficient. They require 3 parking spaces for
themselves and need 2 for the bed and breakfast. The owner has installed a paving stone
driveway that does not meet the requirements of the zoning by-law and they need approval of
5 variances which staff can not support.
Reviewing the various elements of this application, Ms. Wade advised that the following
alterations can be supported, subject to the owner submitting a new Heritage Permit
Application: the roof vents on the driveshed roof, the relocated mailbox, the security light that
has been removed from the driveshed, and the proposed new light post. Respecting the new
carriage doors for the driveshed, Ms. Wade spoke in support of option 1 because the doors
would be distinguishable and reversible; however, because they swing out, the doors would
eliminate the 3 parking spaces in front of the driveshed. Respecting option #2, the doors
proposed would not be distinguishable from the original and existing door hardware will have
to be cut. Ms. Wade then addressed the existing driveway which is 18m wide and extends 4m
down the side of the driveshed. A driveway of this size could accommodate 7 vehicles and
staff is concerned about the cumulative impact. Ms. Wade spoke of the stone wall built by the
applicant that was to have a maximum height of 3.5’ but is higher in some places and already
obstructs views to the natural heritage features; and, parking will extend the obstruction. Ms.
Wade advised that she can support part of the driveway but not that portion east of the
driveshed.
Ms. Wade advised that conversion of the driveshed to allow it to accommodate 2 parking
spaces is a compromise that staff has recommended. In addition to those 2 spaces, the owner
can locate 3 parking spaces in front of the driveshed. The owner is not in support of this
compromise.
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DTS-10-179 - ‘REVISED’ HERITAGE PERMIT APPLICATION HPA 2010-IV-019
1.
- 300 JOSEPH SCHOERG CRESCENT
- PROPOSED DRIVE SHED ALTERATIONS (CONT’D)
Mr. Ariens addressed the Committee advising that each heritage permit application has to be
considered based on its public and private interests. He also explained that the work he has
already undertaken was included in a previous application and as that application was
approved, he assumed he could go ahead with the work.
Mr. Ariens stated that the world is dynamic and people need to be able to use their property in
ways never thought of when the property was developed. At the same time he wants to
minimize adverse impacts on the property. Respecting his private interests, Mr. Ariens
advised that he wants to have covered parking and he has permission for 5 parking spaces.
He advised that he is interested in aesthetic design but at the same time needs to minimize
costs.
With respect to using the driveshed for 2 parking spaces, Mr. Ariens advised that he arranged
for an engineer to review the structural integrity of the building and using the undercroft for
parking is not possible because of the way in which the build will be affected. He also advised
that he attempted to buy more land in order to be able to construct a garage; however, that
was not possible. Mr. Ariens stated that the driveshed was fully supported in July; and,
advised that the 3 parking spaces in front of it were supported by staff as approved by the
Committee of Adjustment. He then displayed a model of the doors proposed for the driveshed
which are made by a company in Seattle, noting that the top of the doors will be fixed and the
rest of the doors will swing out, so the 3 parking spaces in front of the driveshed would not be
useable. Mr. Ariens showed the site plan submitted with the previous application that was
approved by this committee. He referred to the 3 parking spaces located at the front of the
property between the location of the stone wall and the driveshed. He noted that the surface in
this area is flagstone and the 3 parking spaces have been separated with soldier courses. He
noted that the seasonal parking spaces will be intermittently used and he does not want the
parking area to intrude beyond the driveshed. He also noted that the relocated parking spaces
will need to be approved by the Committee of Adjustment. He stated that the intrusion of the
parking into the view of the cultural heritage landscape is minimal. The parking layout still
allows for views of the cultural heritage landscape and it is not an obstruction. He also stated
that removing the parking from in front of the driveshed allows for a better view of the building.
Respecting the public view of the cultural heritage landscape, Mr. Ariens advised that they are
readily available as there are 330m of public sidewalks and trails from which to view the
landscape.
Mr. Ariens then advised that he could comply with the zoning by-law by moving the parking
into the property 3m, or he could build a garage. He noted the 2005 Provincial Policy
Statement which states that cultural heritage landscape includes human interaction. He also
noted that the previous owner had a parking area east of the driveshed and parking has been
located east of the driveshed, as part of the cultural heritage landscape, for at least 20 years.
Mr. Ariens requested approval of the application.
Mr. Robertson spoke against the application noting that one of the difficulties is the third
dimension; the modern world of parking with the historic world. He suggested that gravel
instead of paving stones would look much better. He also suggested that the best parking
arrangement would be 2 cars in the driveshed and 3 parking spaces perpendicular to the street
and located farther into the property. He spoke in support of the staff recommendation.
Mr. Ariens responded that the paving stones were approved by this committee. Mr. Robertson
responded that the scale of the continuum of paving stones is not the same as 3 parking
spaces. Mr. Robertson noted that 3 cars perpendicular to the street and in front of the house
will give a better view of the cultural heritage landscape and less of a view of cars.
On motion by Mr. L. Robertson -
it was resolved:
“That pursuant to Section 33 of the Ontario Heritage Act, the second revised Heritage
Permit Application HPA-2010-IV-019 as submitted be refused; and,
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DTS-10-179 - ‘REVISED’ HERITAGE PERMIT APPLICATION HPA 2010-IV-019
1.
- 300 JOSEPH SCHOERG CRESCENT
- PROPOSED DRIVE SHED ALTERATIONS (CONT’D)
That should the applicant agree to amend Heritage Permit Application HPA-2010-IV-
019 to only include the following scope of work: the installation of two roof vents on the
west elevation of the drive shed; the removal of a security light on the north elevation of
the drive shed; the relocation of the mail box in front of the north west corner of the front
gate; and, the installation of a new light post adjacent to the north east corner of the
drive shed, all at the property municipally addressed 300 Joseph Schoerg Crescent,
then pursuant to Section 33 of the Ontario Heritage Act, Heritage Permit Application
HPA-2010-IV-019 as amended be approved in accordance with the plans and
supporting information submitted with the application, subject to the following condition:
i. That the final design of the light post be submitted for review and heritage
clearance by heritage planning staff prior to installation; and further,
That Staff continue to work with the applicant in an effort to address parking needs and
heritage requirements and report back to Council in March 2011.”
DTS-10-175 - HERITAGE PERMIT APPLICATION HPA 2010-V-022
2.
- 215 OLD CARRIAGE DRIVE
- PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DUPLEX DWELLING
The committee considered Development and Technical Services Department report DTS-10-
175, dated October 21, 2010, recommending approval of Heritage Permit Application HPA-
2010-V-022 in which the applicant seeks approval to construct a duplex dwelling on the
property municipally addressed as 215 Old Carriage Drive. It was noted that the property
owners were registered as a delegation for this meeting but were not in attendance. The
committee generally agreed to consider this application, in their absence, rather than deferring
consideration to the January 2011 meeting, as that meeting would be beyond the legislated
time limit for considering the heritage permit application.
Ms. Wade explained the application noting that its purpose is to allow for the construction of a
duplex close to the north east corner of the property. Ms. Wade displayed elevation drawings
for this duplex noting that there will be a full brick fascade at the front of the building and a full
width front porch; also, there will be 4/4 windows with shutters. The roof of the duplex will be a
hip roof. As the duplex will be built into the slope of the land, it will have 3 storeys visible at the
front of the building and 2 at the back. She noted that there are other buildings within the
Upper Doon Heritage Conservation District (UPHCD) of a similar height; as well, the hip roof is
similar to other buildings in the district. Respecting the location of the building on the lot, it will
be outside the limit of the Grand River Conservation Authority and will be set back from the
trail; further, this building will not be close to any other historic buildings in the UDHCD.
Ms. Wade reviewed the merits of the application noting that a duplex is a permitted use on this
property and the owners have considered the requests of the Heritage Kitchener
representative for the UPHCDD regarding the materials to be used and the design of the
building; and, noting that staff is recommending approval of this application.
Ms. A. Oja advised that she has concerns with the proposed duplex and has visited the site.
She stated that this building will definitely appear as 3 storeys in height and on the opposite
side of the trail there is a 3 storey house; so, the duplex at 3 storeys will definitely have an
impact on the trail. She noted that the proposed duplex will have 3 exterior doors and it looks
like it could possibly be converted to a triplex; which is something that happened in the village
approximately 6 years ago. Ms. Oja advised that she does not want large homes of this nature
being accepted in the village.
Mr. Bensason explained that although the village has a rural character, there are some
contemporary houses there. He advised that the property is not on Doon Village Road and is
not adjacent to any historic homes. The proposed height of the building is permitted in the
zoning by-law. He also advised that if the Committee has any concerns about this application,
they must be of a heritage nature. Mr. Bensason noted that the duplex will have a substantial
setback from a street and the houses onOld Carriage Drive are mostly semi-detached
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DTS-10-175 - HERITAGE PERMIT APPLICATION HPA 2010-V-022
2.
- 215 OLD CARRIAGE DRIVE
- PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DUPLEX DWELLING (CONT’D)
dwellings and are quite suburban looking.
Mr. Robertson suggested that the owners need to develop a design for the building that is
more in keeping with the district and it would be possible to design a 3 storey building that
looks like it belongs in the district.
Mention was made of the fact that in summer the building would be surrounded with trees and
not visible from the trail; however, in other seasons when there are no leaves on the trees, the
building will be visible from the trail.
Mr. Bensason advised that this Heritage Conservation District is very mixed; there are
suburban style houses in this area and they have been approved by Heritage Kitchener.
On motion by Ms. A. Oja -
it was resolved:
“That pursuant to Section 42 of the Ontario Heritage Act, Heritage Permit Application
HPA-2010-V-022 to permit the construction of a new duplex dwelling at the property
municipally addressed 215 Old Carriage Drive, in accordance with the plans submitted
with the application, be refused.”
ADJOURNMENT
3.
On motion, this meeting adjourned at 5:26 p.m.
Dianne Gilchrist
Committee Administrator