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FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE MINUTES
OCTOBER 19, 1992
The Finance and Administration Committee met this date, commencing at 11:05 a.m., under the
Chairmanship of Alderman C. Zehr with the following members present: Mayor D.V. Cardillo, Aldermen
B. Stortz, T. Galloway, G. Lorentz, M. Wagner and C. Weylie.
Others present: Alderman G. Leadston, Alderman M. Yantzi, Messrs. T. McKay, J. Gazzola, R. Freeborn,
J. Wallace, R.W. Pritchard and G. Sosnoski, Ms. J. Koppeser, Ms. L. MacDonald and Ms. G. Meyer.
1. LEASE REQUEST - KITCHENER YMCA
Mr. Stephen Cameron appeared on behalf of the YMCA along with two other organization
representatives and circulated an information package outlining their request to occupy vacant,
City owned premises in Market Square. Mr. Cameron explained the program involvement of the
YMCA and its relationship to the subject premises, and indicated that the Market Square Mall is
generally supportive. Mr. Cameron advised that the YMCA is looking for a lease of approximately
5 years and asked for the Committee's recommendation of approval in principle, which would allow
detailed negotiations to proceed. He clarified that given the present circumstances it may be
necessary to assign the remainder of a 4 year lease to the YMCA or directly enter into a new lease
with the City.
Alderman T. Galloway disclosed a conflict of interest and abstained from all voting and discussion
concerning the lease request of the YMCA as two of his dependents work for the organization.
Mr. McKay explained that at present the premises are leased to Market Square for $1.00 per year
and that they are responsible for the direct costs as well as a share of all common costs. It was
also pointed out that approximately $9,547.00 in taxes are paid to the City annually. Mr. McKay
advised that when the lease arrangement ends in 1996 the City would be responsible for both the
direct and the common costs. In addition, should there be a disagreement as to the nature of the
latter both sides would share in the cost of closing off the entrance to Market Square, which is the
only access point. Mr. McKay also explained that at present the City has no need for the space in
question and recommended that the Committee agree in principle and refer the issue to staff to
prepare a suitable agreement. Alternately, he advised that the present lease to Market Square
could be extended, with a subsequent sub-lease to the YMCA. He also pointed out that under this
arrangement the space would be exempt from taxation and the City would lose 30% of the taxes it
presently receives.
On a motion by Alderman Lorentz -
It was resolved:
"That Council agree, in principle, to the request of the YMCA for permission
to lease City owned premises in Market Square, with staff being directed to
prepare a suitable agreement."
2. STREET VENDOR LICENCES
The Committee was in receipt of a report from Mrs. J. Koppeser dated October 13, 1992
concerning renewal of the 1992 by-law to license street vendors in Victoria Park and selected
downtown street locations.
Alderman Stortz explained that at present it is being suggested the program, which began in 1992
and the subject of By-law 92-45, be extended to 1993 in substantially the same form and with the
same waiting list.
Mr. Eric Van Miltenburg appeared and indicated he is hoping to obtain a vendors licence and
asked that changes in the regulations be contemplated which would allow the sale of coffee from a
stand in the downtown. Mr. Van Miltenburg explained the concept proposed, which is based on
stands presently operating on the west coast. In response to a question from Alderman Stortz, Mr.
Van Miltenburg indicated that he was not contemplating a specific location at this time, only that it
be in the downtown core.
2. STREET VENDOR LICENCES (cont.)
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Mr. Terry Voulcaridis appeared on behalf of several downtown restaurant owners opposed to the
licensing of street vendors and circulated a petition in this regard containing 11 signatures.
Mr. Voulcaridis expressed the concern that hot dog vendors are taking business away from
downtown restaurants and indicated that they have less overhead and enjoy Iow licensing fees.
He refuted the claim that street vendors are a tourist attraction and add life to the downtown, citing
a number of recent business closings. Mr. Voulcaridis concluded that street vendors represent
unfair competition to restaurants.
Alderman Stortz reminded the delegation that the present licensing by-law was the product of an
extensive process which included input from the business community. He acknowledged that the
economic climate has changed since the by-law was first enacted, however, other requirements
have been relaxed in order to allow restaurants to operate food carts in front of their premises.
Alderman Yantzi referred to the City's long term goal of promoting more animation in the
downtown, and suggested that it would be shortsighted to hold a two year moratorium on street
vendors, as suggested in the petition circulated by Mr. Voulcaridis.
Mr. Voulcaridis suggested that the City increase licences for street vendors to $4,000.00 or
$5,000.00 annually based on the right to operate year round, and suggested that this amount be
used for promotion of the downtown, offsetting parking costs or reducing business taxes.
Alderman Lorentz pointed out that at present vendors are paying approximately $100.00 per
square foot and that no business taxes are presently levied on the patio area which Mr.
Voulcaridis operates in front of his premises.
Mr. Walter Dudek appeared on behalf of Mr. Slawomir Marczak and indicated that the latter has
been on a street location waiting list for approximately two years. He suggested that the City
consider two additional locations in the downtown and that specific vendors should not be
guaranteed the same spot year after year as some of the locations are busier than others.
Alderman Stortz advised that it was Council's decision to allow vendors access to the same
locations in 1993 as they had in 1992 in recognition of their investment and loyalty to the concept
of street vending. He suggested that adding more sites at this time would create an imbalance.
Alderman Zehr inquired whether anyone else in attendance this date wished to address the
Committee.
Mr. Kirk McBride appeared on behalf of Reggie's Restaurant and indicated that though he does
not begrudge the opportunity for hot dog vendors to make a living, he is concerned that the
$1,000.00 licensing fee is excessively Iow. He suggested that a percentage of an adjusted fee
should include a contribution toward the Kitchener Downtown Business Association (KDBA), since
the vendors are members of the downtown business community. Mr. McBride stressed that his
only concern is to insure that all businesses are treated equally. Alderman Stortz replied that the
possibility of a formula has been discussed, and noted that this contribution would only apply to
the street locations within the KDBA area of jurisdiction.
Mr. Cam Costley, General Manager - Market Square, informed the Committee that it is their
practice when leasing temporary space to charge an additional 10% as a contribution toward mall
promotions.
Mayor Cardillo inquired of Mr. McBride whether his business had suffered as a result of the
introduction of street vendors. Mr. McBride acknowledged that the business had suffered, but not
necessarily as a direct result of vendor competition, and pointed out that he had not signed the
petition previously circulated by Mr. Voulcaridis.
Alderman G. Leadston entered the meeting at this time.
Alderman Stortz put forward a motion recommending that the substance of the 1992 street vendor
by-law be applied in 1993, with Council reaffirming its commitment to the 1992 program.
STREET VENDOR LICENCES (cont.)
Alderman Stortz acknowledged that a vendor contribution to the KDBA should be examined, along
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with development of a formula for application in 1993. He also suggested that the amount of the
licence fee should be re-examined. Alderman Yantzi suggested that an amount comprising 10%
of the licence fee should be charged in 1993 and Alderman Stortz accepted the suggestion as a
friendly amendment.
Mr. McKay pointed out that it may be necessary for the City to collect the 10% contribution and
redistribute it accordingly. Mr. Pritchard also noted that a fee for street vendor licences was not
included in the 1993 fee schedule already approved by Council.
A brief discussion took place concerning concerns of the Health Unit as regards the preparation of
food sold from street vendor carts.
Ms. Nancy Brawley appeared on behalf of the KDBA and advised that a new store is opening in
the downtown whose principal product is coffee. She pointed out that at present coffee is an
important source of revenue for local restaurants and suggested that any consideration of allowing
the sale of coffee from a cart should be deferred until a recovery from the recession is underway.
Alderman Stortz suggested a deferral of the previous request from Mr. Van Miltenburg, with only
informal discussion taking place at this time.
The previous motion to apply the substance of the 1992 street vendor by-law in 1993 was voted
on, as amended.
On a motion by Alderman B. Stortz -
It was resolved:
"That the substance of the 1992 by-law to license street vendors in Victoria
Park and at specific street locations be applied in 1993 with the additional
provision that all street vendor licences issued within the designated area of
the Kitchener Downtown Improvement Area Board of Management be subject
to a 10% increase as a contribution toward the Kitchener Downtown
Business Association."
On a motion by Alderman G. Lorentz -
It was resolved:
"That the fee for the licensing of street vendors in Victoria Park and at
specific street locations be increased by 2% in 1993."
3. PET SHOP AND DOG KENNEL LICENSING BY-LAW
Ms. L. MacDonald gave a verbal report concerning staff activity as regards the proposed by-law,
and advised that discussions have taken place with the Human Society. She noted that Council
has the authority to limit the number of dogs and this may indirectly address concerns over
breeding and boarding facilities. However, she stated that Council may not have authority under
the Municipal Act to directly license dog boarding and breeding facilities. Ms. MacDonald asked
for further direction from the Committee regarding the proposed by-law and the public meetings
referred to in an earlier Council resolution.
Alderman Wagner questioned why the City is involving itself in such licensing and asked whether
any problems could be effectively dealt with under existing legislation, for example as it applies to
noise. Reference was made to an intolerable situation encountered by Alderman Ziegler and Ms.
MacDonald voiced the opinion that the by-law proposed would not solve this problem. Alderman
Stortz suggested a further deferral until such time as Alderman Ziegler is in attendance.
By general consent, it was agreed that the proposed by-law would be discussed further and that
Ms. MacDonald would advise Mr. Sosnoski in the event this item requires further discussion at a
future Finance and Administration Committee meeting.
KITCHENER FACADE/INTERIOR LOAN PROGRAM
The Committee was previously circulated with a report from Mr. T. O'Brien dated October 8, 1992
concerning loan applications, which due to extenuating circumstances do not conform to the City's
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Program requirements.
On a motion by Alderman B. Stortz -
It was resolved:
"That in view of the exceptional nature of the loan requests by the occupants
of 37 Market Lane (Oasis Ministries and The Waterloo Arts Council), staff be
authorized to execute interior and facade loans, subject to the evaluation and
criteria prescribed in Schedule A of the Facade and Interior Loan Programs."
5. EMPLOYMENT EQUITY REVIEW COMMITTEE - TERMS OF REFERENCE
The Committee was in receipt of a report from Ms. G. Meyer dated October 9, 1992 outlining
proposed Terms of Reference, including Committee membership.
Mr. Freeborn explained that it is planned that the Committee focus on the firefighter recruitment
process only and not the new employment equity legislation as previously discussed by Council.
He advised that this is in response to the likelihood that new legislation will not be passed until the
Spring of 1993. Mr. Freeborn asked for the Committee's endorsement and direction as regards
the Terms of Reference.
In response to a question from Alderman Galloway, Mr. Freeborn indicated that a hearing date has
not been set for the Human Rights complaints resulting from the last recruitment process.
Alderman Galloway offered the opinion that the Committee should proceed now, but expressed
concern that those objecting to the last job competition may view the proposed membership as
biased in favour of Council and staff. He advised that in his opinion two as opposed to three
Council members may suffice. He asked whether consideration should be given to appointing a
representative from People Promoting Equal Treatment for Employment. Mr. Freeborn replied that
this would not pose a problem, however, if such a representative is appointed, the Review
Committee should meet after the Human Rights complaints have been dealt with. It was also
noted that Committee membership was determined based on staff who had an involvement in the
past recruitment process.
Alderman Stortz agreed that the number of Council representatives should be reduced and
suggested that in addition two representatives from the community at large be included rather than
an advocacy group member. Mr. McKay suggested removing the Employment Equity Officer as a
voting member, but having her assist the Committee as a resource person.
Moved by Mayor D.V. Cardillo -
"That Council accept the Terms of Reference for the Employment Equity
Review Committee as outlined in the report of Ms. Gail Meyer dated October
9, 1992, subject to amending of the Committee membership to read: two
representatives of City Council; one representative of the Kitchener
Professional Firefighters' Association; one representative of the Kitchener-
Waterloo Race Relations Committee; two representatives from the
community at large; the Commissioner of Administrative Services; and the
Fire Chief, and further,
That the Employment Equity Officer attend as a resource person and
Aldermen J. Ziegler and T. Galloway represent City Council."
It was suggested that the Council representatives should reflect an appropriate balance of opinion
and in this regard Alderman Stortz suggested Alderman Yantzi as a representative. Mayor
Cardillo accepted the substitution of Alderman Yantzi for Alderman Ziegler as a friendly
amendment.
EMPLOYMENT EQUITY REVIEW COMMITTEE - TERMS OF REFERENCE (cont.)
Alderman Stortz indicated that if Council's intention was to appoint a member of the Race
Relations Committee, it may be appropriate to delete this reference in the membership and
increase the number of community at large representatives from two to three. Mayor Cardillo
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accepted this suggestion as a friendly amendment.
The main motion was then voted on, as amended.
On a motion by Mayor D.V. Cardillo -
It was resolved:
"That Council accept the Terms of Reference for the Employment Equity
Review Committee as outlined in the report of Ms. Gail Meyer dated October
9, 1992, subject to amending of the Committee membership to read: two
representatives of City Council; one representative of the Kitchener
Professional Firefighters' Association; three representatives from the
community at large; the Commissioner of Administrative Services; and the
Fire Chief, and further,
That the Employment Equity Officer attend as a resource person and
Aldermen T. Galloway and M. Yantzi represent City Council."
By general consent, and in response to a request from Mr. Pritchard, it was agreed that the three
at large appointments to the Employment Equity Review Committee would be advertised only
once. In this regard, the second of two advertisements soliciting volunteers for Council
Committees would be amended accordingly.
The Committee Chairman was in receipt of a memorandum dated October 16, 1992 advising of
the sudden death of Committee of Adjustment member Mr. Donald Jamieson. Similarly, it was
agreed that notice of the vacant position would be included for one printing only in the above
advertisement.
6. ONTARIO CASINO PROJECT
The Committee was in receipt of an information report from Mr. R.W. Pritchard dated October 8,
1992. Mr. Pritchard advised that the Province has announced a single pilot project in Windsor,
which will not be evaluated for approximately two years. He asked whether Council wished at this
time to give political input to the Province.
Alderman Stortz suggested that any local organization which is considering submitting an
application for a casino should be given any and all advanced information. Alderman Lorentz
indicated his support for the casino initiative, provided there is the necessary Provincial control.
He pointed out that gambling presently exists in the community in other forms and this initiative is
an excellent means of diversifying the City's economic base. Mr. Pritchard pointed out that casino
operations aimed at charitable organizations have been allowed in the Province of British
Columbia, but to date the revenues generated are less than anticipated. He also noted that a
Provincial analysis suggests that a casino would draw its business from a radius of up to 50 miles.
Alderman Stortz inquired as to the reason for the lower than expected revenues and Mr. Pritchard
replied that to date the casinos are only drawing the local population.
Alderman Wagner expressed the opinion that it is too early to discuss the issue as there are too
many unanswered questions and a shortage of information. Alderman Weylie advised that she
wished to be recorded as opposed to the casino initiative and suggested that any public meetings
planned by Council should be held prior to any indication of support.
Mayor Cardillo put forward a motion that the City advise the Province that Kitchener is interested in
the casino initiative, on condition that the Province exercises the appropriate control.
ONTARIO CASINO PROJECT (cont.)
Mr. Pritchard pointed out that the Province has indicated the municipality would not share directly
in any casino revenues, though there is a possibility of additional funding to compensate for
increased service costs such as policing.
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On a motion by Alderman M. Wagner-
It was resolved:
"That consideration of the initiative proposed by the Province of Ontario
regarding the licensing of casinos be deferred and referred to the first
meeting of the Finance and Administration Committee in January of 1993
pending receipt of additional information and an appropriate staff report."
On a motion by Alderman C. Weylie -
It was resolved:
"That the Finance and Administration Committee resolve itself into caucus to
consider a property related matter."
7. NEXT MEETING
The next regularly scheduled meeting of the Finance and Administration Committee will be held on
Monday, November 2, 1992.
8. ADJOURNMENT
On motion, the meeting adjourned at 12:40 p.m.
G. Sosnoski
Manager of Corporate
Records/Assistant City Clerk