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CYCLING AND TRAILS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES
November 13, 2018 CITY OF KITCHENER
Cycling Advisory Committee met on this date commencing at 4:15 p.m.
Present: Ms. Y. Fernandes, Messrs. D. Brotherston, E. Bliefert M. Drasdo,
D. Hoshowsky, R. Mazumder.
Staff: Mr. D. Pimentel, Active Transportation Planning Project Manager
Mr. D. Kropf, Active Transportation Planning Project Manager
Ms. L. Christensen, Multi-use Pathways & Trails Project Manager
Mr. B. Cronkite, Director Transportation Services
Mr. J. Readman, General Manager DSD
Ms. M. Love, Manager Service Coordination & Improvement
1. Development Services Review - Project Update
Ms. M. Love made a presentation to the committee on the ongoing review of the
Development Services Department. Ms. M. Love provided some background
regarding how the review began, where it is going, and what the intent of it is
along with leaving some postcards behind for interested members. The intent is
to identify areas for improvement, what the needs and expectations are of
stakeholders as well as what are some pain points in the process. Once all the
data has been collected, additional information will be available as the review
progresses.
Ms. Y. Fernandes asked if this review will look at development from a cycling and
trails perspective or if cycling improvements can be included during the
development process. Ms. M. Love indicated that is too early to indicate at this
time but are anticipating seeing some common themes emerge through the early
engagement as well as any identification of processes that intersect or overlap
eachother and if those could include cycling/trails. Mr. J. Readman added the
intent is to try and gather some feedback and comments so that it could help
guide the review and identify specific processes currently in place.
Mr. E. Bliefert commented that implementation of signs and wayfinding is a very
slow process that can be improved upon. Often times it is not considered until a
project is complete and if done early not implemented in a complete package but
rather in a piece meal approach. Communication and identification of signage
should happen before the shovel hits the ground.
Mr. M. Drasdo noted that there have been many reviews similar to this and it is a
rather large and complex review and often times not informing the public. Mr. M.
Drasdo noted that often times when staff are contacted and made aware of
concerns, it often time stops there. There needs to be some type of resolution
factor so residents can be informed about where there inquiry is in the process. A
communication process needs to be put in place so that residents feel like they
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November 13, 2018 CITY OF KITCHENER
are being heard. Mr. J. Readman indicated that currently residents are
encouraged to make inquiries to the Corporate Contact Center as all calls are
logged. Additionally residents can contact their local ward councilor if they feel
staff have not addressed their concerns. Following up and following through are
tools that staff should be using to ensure residents are informed along the way.
Mr. R. Mazumder asked if staff can be transparent and held accountable to follow
through? Are residents able to know if any other residents have raised their
concern or if residents will be contacted once their concern has been resolved. It
would give confidence to other residents that their concerns where not lost in the
system. Mr. D. Brotherston agreed with those comments and advised that the
call center cannot tell residents the status of a specific request and does not
send a follow up to the resident that originally made the inquiry. Ms. M. Love
indicted that big role of the review will be to identify ways to enhance
communication as well as identify roles and responsibilities of staff.
2. Wayfinding Signage Discussion
Mr. D. Pimentel indicated that staff will be looking to implement signage related
to wayfinding as a result of the motion passed by the committee in September.
Staff presented a map to the group asking for committee members to identify
locations where they felt signage could be improved. Prior to marking up the map
a discussion occurred around wayfinding including:
with the limited amount of money available, focus should be given to
locations without signage versus upgrading existing wayfinding signage
utilize the existing community trail sign post for signage that can convey
connections to users of the trails
this topic has been brought forward every year for many years; can we
just put some signs in now and update the other ones later. With the small
amount of money dedicated to the project, it should be done quickly and
not require the committee to identify locations
rather than place signs where committee members feel they should go,
perhaps staff can use data (such as population density) as a decision
making tool so that the signs are benefiting the largest amount of people
Waterloo Park is a good example of signs but that is only one area - is
focus paid to one area or spread out over a number of smaller areas
ideally signage should be provided where gaps exist, could include paint
at the end of trails or street name signs on top of the existing stop signs
London England has quiet ways that use wayfinding to direct users to
quieter more comfortable streets in order to encourage people to bike
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even though the infrastructure was not there; consider directing and
guiding users through more local streets
consideration needs to be given to the type of user, commuter v new user
and the type of information each would require
committee members indicated that an inventory of potential sign locations
has been taken and would be available for staff to consider
there is greater value in the sign if we tell users where it goes and how it
connects to other routes; focus on orientation and how to make
connections
make the signs more general and stay away from more unique elements
during rides with CycleWR increased signage was seen as a major
improvement area; consider connections to Conestoga Colleger along
Wilson Rd
Ms. L. Christensen also indicated that Park and Cemeteries will be retaining a
consultant to come up with a branding strategy for all City parks that can clearly
identify City facilities.
At the end of the discussion, it was determined that staff will identify appropriate
locations for wayfinding signage and report back to the new committee in early
2019.
3. Multi-use Trail Markings and Signage
Mr. D Kropf made a presentation on some of the different pavement markings
and signage on different trails within Kitchener. It was noted that the Region of
Waterloo recently hosted a meeting with adjacent cities to determine if there was
a desire to develop some consistent standards across the Region. The
committee was presented two exercises where staff asked a series of questions
related to best practices (examples of good clear signage and marking, how did it
feel, what was or was not included) as well as what functions signage and
markings should convey.
Mount Tremblant trails in Quebec provide distant markers, marked
warnings for trail users, centerline is marked for the entire trail; making it
easier to stay on your side of the trail and provides some guidance as to
where the trail in going as it approached curves
Nashville, Music City Bikeway; totally separated from road with paint,
bollards, also has signs telling you how far something was along the river
Ottawa has great examples along most of their trails including all the
required features such as centerlines and signs - signs are also bilingual
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There needs to be consistent standard within the Region s people know
what to expect and consideration given to how long the paint will last so
we don’t have to constantly re-paint; signage should be kept to a minimum
as all roads are signed to death and it is difficult to take everything in
quickly
London quietways - separates all pedestrians and cyclists and trails are
wide enough to accommodate both modes of travel; can you consider a
multi-use trail cycling infrastructure if it is sharing space with pedestrians.
London also uses consistent traffic calming measures as trail crossings
Consider using different surface treatments for each user (concrete for
pedestrians, asphalt for cyclists) eliminates the need for paint
Strasburg Rd multi-use trail is lacking signage and guidance on how to
properly cross at intersections; should have a stop sign at intersections so
users know where stop; would reduce the potential of right hook collision
Trail crossing are the most important part of the trail and should be given
priority over the vehicle; currently drivers do not when and if they should
stop at trail crossings and creates confusion amongst drivers (Spur Line
trail is an example)
Pedestrian island on River Rd - surprised at how many drivers will stop for
users even though there is no signage telling drivers to stop
stop signs and information on how to cross (if not typical) where trail
meets roadways
The committee broke off into pairs and ranked their top three choices on what
are the most important pieces of information to include on trails. Committee
members submitted their suggestions to staff for their consideration.
4. Cycling and Trails Master Plan Update
Mr. D. Pimentel indicated that the call for proposals has closed and five
submissions were received. Staff have reviewed, ranked and conducted
interviews and are awaiting for the consultant to be notified and project awarded.
Mr. R. Mazumder indicated that within the request is to have a pilot minimum grid
identified; what is the timeline for that to be implemented? Mr. B. Cronkite
indicated the master plan will be presented to Council in 2019 which will more
than likely include a budget request for 2020/2021.
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Mr. D. Brotherston asked if the new master plan will include detailed design. Mr.
B. Cronkite suggested that it should as we engage with stakeholders, that piece
will be identified.
5. New Committee Transition
Committee members were asked to consider what items they would like the new
committee to focus on.
pilot minimum grid
get in early for capital projects, so things can be added or changed before
the shovel hits the ground
encourage members to go out to sites and visit them prior to talking about
them at meetings
start small and go from there; get it right the first time so you don’t have to
go back and fix mistakes - don’t try and tackle 100 different things
brainstorming with the new committee right away is a great way to get
some ideas on the table - suggest to attach timelines to the specific items
identified
continue to work on Bikefest and not something the committee should give
up on
make discussion items more specific and bring less open ended
discussions to the table
show committee members how their feedback was part of the decision
making process or incorporated into the final decision
show what the committee has accomplished during their term, so people
know what they contributed too; how many bike lanes were installed, how
was bikefest, new trails and signs etc.
encourage committee members to speak at Regional Council to help
influence decisions that affect local roadways
go in the direction of the skill set each member possesses and try to tailor
the meetings to what people are good at what interests them
The committee members for thanked for their time on the committee and
providing some valuable pieces during their two years.
Meeting Adjourned at 6:05 pm.