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PUBLIC WORKS AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MINUTES
FEBRUARY 3, 1992
The Public Works and Transportation Committee met this date under the Chairmanship of Alderman
J. Smola with the following members present: His Worship Mayor D. Cardillo, Alderman C. Weylie,
Alderman T. Galloway, Alderman M. Wagner and Alderman G. Lorentz. Alderman J. Ziegler was in
attendance for part of the meeting.
Others Present:
Messrs. L. Lynch, S. Gyorffy, J. O'Rourke, J. Webster, W. Beck, R. Miller, D.
Snow, B. Liddle, T. McKay, D. Suzuki, D. Mansell, B. Gulliver, J. Wallace and
L.F. Parkhouse.
This meeting of the Public Works and Transportation Committee commenced at 9:10 a.m.
1. Kitchener Transit Buses - Recaro Seats
Mr. William Mazmanian, President of CBRT Local #304, appeared before the Committee with the
suggestion that Recaro bus driver seats be installed in all City buses. It was suggested that
this is an excellent seat and many attempts have been made by the Union to have it installed.
It was noted that bus drivers sit in a moving vehicle on a daily basis and, as a result, back
problems are encountered. It was the view of Mr. Mazmanian that the installation of the Recaro
seat would overcome many of these problems.
Mr. Mazmanian also referred to a Policy Statement on Health and Safety dated May 1, 1991, signed
by His Worship Mayor D. Cardillo and Mr. T. McKay. It was the view of Mr. Mazmanian that this
policy statement supports the installation of new bus driver seats.
Alderman J. Ziegler entered the meeting at this time.
Mr. Mazmanian acknowledged to the Committee that the installation of these new seats would have
cost implications, however, it was his view that in the long run the City will receive dividends in
that there will be less lost time.
Mr. J. Webster, Commissioner of Transportation, advised the Committee that the installation of the
Recaro bus driver seat has been the topic of discussion at Labour Management meetings. The
installation of this seat has been rejected as of this date. Mr. J. Webster expressed the view
that the installation of these seats has not been discussed with the Union Executive. In this
regard, Mr. Mazmanian assured the Committee that the installation of these seats has been
discussed at various Union meetings.
Mr. Webster advised the Committee that Recaro is an air ride seat and air ride seats have been
installed in the past with limited acceptance. The Committee was advised that it would cost
approximately $361,000.00 to install this seat in all Transit vehicles. The Committee was also
advised that at the present time their are only 2 bus drivers who are receiving Workmen's
Compensation because of back injuries.
When questioned by Alderman G. Lorentz, Mr. Webster advised that in order for an appropriate test
to be undertaken at least 20 buses would have to be outfitted with the new seats. In order for
all drivers to have an appropriate opportunity to test the new seats, the test period would have
to extend for in excess of 1 year. It was also noted that the cost per bus to install the new seat
would be approximately $3,500.00.
Mr. B. Gulliver appeared before the Committee and advised that one of the problems with the new
seats is that there are too many adjustments. For this reason the seats are often not properly
adjusted which, in itself, can lead to back problems. The time required to adjust this seat
properly is also of concern.
Alderman T. Galloway was of the view that there are other agencies and users who have likely
tested this type of seating and these test results could be obtained by the City of Kitchener.
Mr. T. McKay advised the Committee that Management will continue to gather additional information
regarding alternative seats and a year from now there will be more information available
regarding the Recaro
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1. Kitchener Transit Buses - Recaro Seats (Cont'd)
seat because of its use in other areas. In this regard, Alderman G. Lorentz pointed out that a driver
survey was undertaken in 1989 and suggested that a similar survey could be undertaken at this
time to determine whether or not the existing seats are acceptable to the drivers.
Following further discussion and on motion by Alderman J. Ziegler -
it was resolved:
"That the City of Kitchener retain the existing standard National seat or equivalent with a high back
feature and lock incorporated on new bus purchases."
On motion by Alderman G. Lorentz-
it was resolved:
"That the Department of Transportation undertake a survey of all bus drivers to obtain their input as
to the acceptability of the bus driver seats being utilized at the present time."
2.Driveway Problem - Mr. H. Savich - Barbara Crescent
This matter, which deals with the slope of an existing driveway on Barbara Crescent, was originally
considered by the Committee on December 9, 1991. At that time, it was suggested that the
existing driveway has a slope of approximately 18 degrees while City standards indicate that
the maximum slope should not exceed 10 degrees.
Mr.
James Richard appeared before the Committee and advised that he has been retained to
represent Mr. Savich. Mr. Richard pointed out that, as part of an infilling process, a semi-
detached dwelling was developed, however, the slope of the driveways have created problems
in that under certain weather conditions vehicles parked on the driveway slide out into the
street. Mr. Richard noted that a building permit was applied for and issued by the Building and
Inspections Division. It would appear, however, that the proposed grades were not taken into
account at that time. In this regard, Mr. Richard referred to Chapter 710 of the Municipal Code
which deals with the issuance of building permits and outlines that the contour of the lands on
which the building is to be erected are to be considered along with the elevations of the
adjoining lands.
Mr. Richard also suggested to the Committee that when final inspections were undertaken it would
appear that the steep slope of the driveway was ignored. A letter of compliance was issued for
the development, however, a further letter was also issued which states that the site grading is
not acceptable. The Committee was advised that Mr. Savich is prepared to resolve this matter
by having his garage floor lowered with appropriate steps being taken to ensure that adequate
frost footings are installed. The garage door could be changed by adding one additional panel.
The driveway grades would have to be adjusted and certain remedial landscaping would have
to be undertaken. The costs involved would be approximately $8,000.00 to $10,000.00. Mr.
Richard pointed out that his client is of the view that these costs should be borne by the City of
Kitchener.
Alderman M. Wagner acknowledged that Mr. Savich is frustrated because of this situation but
pointed out that there are others who must share in the responsibility such as K. Behm &
Associates, the consulting engineer, the original contractor and, possibly, the original lawyer
who looked after this transaction for Mr. Savich. In this regard, Alderman Wagner agreed that
the process must be reviewed and the existing problems must be corrected but the question still
remains as to who is going to pay the bill. In this regard, Mr. Richard pointed out that he has
had discussions with the others involved in this problem and, while some settlements may be
possible, it was decided to bring this matter back to the City so that they could further review
the situation and hopefully change their mind from the original position which was that no action
would be taken. Alderman Wagner pointed out that, from his point of view, no new information
has been provided from that which was available when the original recommendation was
proposed.
2.Driveway Problem - Mr. H. Savich - Barbara Crescent (Cont'd)
Alderman T. Galloway noted that the City is being requested to accept the financial responsibility to
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carry out the proposed site corrections and questioned what settlements have been offered by
the other people that have been involved. In this regard, Mr. Richard pointed out that, while
discussions have taken place, nothing has been finalized.
When questioned by the Committee, Mr. J. Wallace noted that when this matter was originally
considered staff had pointed out that the existing driveway can be safely used for the parking of
2 vehicles if one vehicle is parked in the garage and the other is parked up close to the garage
door. The problem of a vehicle sliding out into the street is only created when no vehicle is
parked in the garage. Mr. Wallace pointed out that the City is being requested to insure this
project against various problems. In this regard, it was noted that the City is not in the business
of providing insurance. Mr. Wallace also referred to the fact that certain questions have been
raised at this meeting regarding whether or not various building permit procedures were
properly followed. Mr. J. Witmer, the City's Chief Building Official, was unable to be in
attendance at this meeting and it was the view of Mr. Wallace that prior to any decision being
reached his comments should be obtained.
Following further discussion, the members of the Committee agreed that finalization of this matter
would be deferred to the meeting of the Public Works and Transportation Committee to be held
on February 17, 1992. At that time, the Committee will receive input from Mr. J. Witmer
regarding comments which have been made regarding the building permit process.
3.DOTR 92-6 - School Pedestrian Safety - Pioneer Drive/Pioneer Park Public School
The Committee considered a report prepared by the Traffic & Parking Division of the Department of
Transportation which recommends that a "no stopping anytime" zone be established on the
east side of Pioneer Drive in the area of the existing school crossing. It is the view of City staff
that the safety of school pedestrians would be enhanced if stopping were prohibited in this
area.
On motion by His Worship Mayor D. Cardillo -
it was resolved:
"That 'No Stopping Anytime' be established on the east side of Pioneer Drive from the school
crossing to 67 metres south thereof, and further,
That the Uniform Traffic By-law be amended accordingly."
4.Zone Change & Official Plan Amendments - Request for Density Increases
The Committee considered a report prepared by Mr. D. Mansell, Development Engineer, which, if
approved, would establish a policy requiring developers to prove that proposed increases in
density will not infringe upon the development rights of other landowners.
Mr.
B. Liddle, Director of Engineering, appeared before the Committee and advised that Mr. T.
McCabe, Director of Development, has raised 2 areas of concern. The first area of concern is
what happens when a density increase is due to a City initiative and would studies be required
in these instances. It was the view of Mr. Liddle that cases of this nature would have to be
evaluated as they arose. The second point of concern was whether or not the report had been
submitted to the development industry so that their comments could be obtained at this
meeting. In this regard, Mr. Liddle point out that the report had not been circulated to the
development industry and pointed out that in the review of the Public Works Department carried
out by Mr. C. Bens it was recommended that a formal policy regarding this matter should be
approved by City Council.
4.Zone Change & Official Plan Amendments - Request for Density Increases (Cont'd)
Following further discussion and on motion by Alderman G. Lorentz - it was resolved:
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"That developers who request density increases for their lands through Zone Changes and Official
Plan Amendments be required to prove, prior to any final approvals and to the satisfaction
of the Public Works Department, that the proposed increase in density will not infringe
upon the development rights of other landowners within the natural drainage shed and
shall not overload the existing municipal sanitary sewer pipe system."
5.Video Presentation - Total Station & CAD System
The members of the Committee viewed a video prepared by the Engineering Section of the
Department of Public Works which outlined how the Total Station & CAD Systems are utilized
to prepare working drawings.
6.Tunnellinq Project - Schneider Trunk Sewer
The Committee was advised that, if there is an interest, arrangements can be made for members of
Council to tour the tunnelling project which is being undertaken as part of the Schneider Trunk
Sewer. It was noted that rubber boots, raincoats and hard hats would be provided.
The members of the Committee agreed that February 24th would be an appropriate day and Mr. B.
Liddle was asked to finalize the necessary arrangements.
7. Adjournment
On motion, the meeting adjourned at 10:30 a.m.
L.F. Parkhouse, AMCT
Deputy City Clerk