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PLANNING & ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE MINUTES
APRIL 10~ 2000
CITY OF KITCHENER
The Planning and Economic Development Committee met this date commencing at 4:05 p.m. under
Councillor C. Weylie, Chair with the following members present: Mayor C. Zehr and Councillors K. Taylor-
Harrison, M. Yantzi, John Smola, J. Haalboom, J. Ziegler, T. Galloway and G. Lorentz. Councillors B.
Vrbanovic and Jake Smola entered the meeting after its commencement.
Officials Present: Ms. C. Ladd and Messrs. J. Gazzola, B. Stanley, J. Shivas, D. Mansell, G.
Richardson, J. Witmer, J. McBride, K. Mayer, L. Bensason and L.W. Neil.
1. BPS 00~34
9 CAMERON STREET NORTH
ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION ZC 00/08/C/BH
PEEVER TECHNICAL SERVICES - CENTRE WARD
The Committee was advised that the Department of Business and Planning Services was in
receipt of an application from Peever Technical Services to change the zoning of lands known
municipally as 9 Cameron Street North. The purpose of the zoning change is to remove a holding
provision from the lands that prohibited commercial use or any other new development from
occurring until such time as the lands have been consolidated with lands fronting King Street East,
a 0.3 metre reserve separating the lot from Cameron Street has been conveyed to the City, and a
site plan has been approved by the City's Director of Planning. In this regard the Committee
considered staff report BPS 00/34 dated March 16, 2000 and a proposed by-law dated March 13,
2000 attached to the report.
It was noted in the report that the subject lands located on the east side of Cameron Street North,
north of King Street East, have now been consolidated with the abutting property located at 550
King Street East which has frontage on and access to King Street East. As well, a site plan which
incorporates both 550 King Street East and 9 Cameron Street North was approved by the City's
Director of Planning on March 16, 2000. Thus, two of the three conditions relating to the removal
of the holding provision have been met with the exception of conveyance of a 0.3 metre reserve
along the frontage of Cameron Street North and in this regard the applicant has agreed to prepare
and submit a reference plan for conveyance of the strip to the City prior to Council giving three
readings of the by-law.
It was pointed out that notice that the Committee would hold a public meeting this date to consider
this matter had previously been given.
Ms. C. Ladd provided a brief explanation describing the application and advised that the Legal
Department was reviewing the wording of the deed respecting the conveyance of a 0.3 metre
reserve along the frontage of Cameron Street North. Accordingly, she indicated that the applicant
has essentially met the holding provision criteria.
Mayor C. Zehr questioned if the Cameron Street property could be severed from the King Street
property in future. Ms. Ladd responded that an application for severance could be filed for any
property; however, she stressed that the commercial uses which the Cameron Street property now
enjoyed could only be utilized in connection with the King Street property.
Mr. P. Britton, MacNaughton Hermsen Britton Clarkson, appeared as a delegation on behalf of the
applicant and advised they were in agreement with the recommendation in the staff report.
No other delegations were registered respecting this matter.
The recommendation in the staff report was then considered.
On motion by Councillor K. Taylor-Harrison -
It was resolved:
"That Zone Change Application ZC 00/08/C/BH (9 Cameron Street North Peever
Technical Services) to remove holding provision [15H] from lands zoned Commercial
Residential Four Zone (CR-4) legally described as Part of Lots 1, 2, and 3, Registered Plan
100, be approved in the form shown in the "Proposed By-law" attached, dated March 13,
2000, subject to the following condition being satisfied prior to any readings of
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1. BPS 00~34
9 CAMERON STREET NORTH
ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION ZC 00/08/C/BH
PEEVER TECHNICAL SERVICES - CENTRE WARD (CONT'D)
the By-law by Council:
The owner agrees to prepare and register a deed conveying ownership of 0.3 metre
reserve along the frontage of 9 Cameron Street North to the City of Kitchener.
It is the opinion of this Committee that approval of this application is proper planning for the
City and is in conformity with the City's Municipal Plan."
BPS 00/25
3040 OLD MILL ROAD
ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION ZC 9918101GR
JANET KUNSCH AND JOHN KINZIE
DOON-PIONEER WARD
The Committee was advised that the Department of Business and Planning Services was in
receipt of an application from Janet Kunsch and John Kinzie to change the zoning of lands known
municipally as 3040 Old Mill Road. The proposal would rezone part of the subject property from
its current Residential Three Zone (R-3) to Residential Six Zone (R-6) in order to permit a
townhouse development of 98 units. Further, the owners also intend to have part of Old Mill Road
closed and diverted so as to develop the site including part of the road allowance and an adjacent
property currently located between Old Mill Road and Doon Valley Drive which is also in their
ownership. In this regard the Committee considered staff report BPS 00/25 dated March 15, 2000
and a proposed by-law dated March 16, 2000 attached to the report.
It was noted in the report that the subject lands are located on the north side of Old Mill Road at its
intersection with Doon Valley Drive and comprised of two separate properties. The larger parcel is
comprised of former farmland and flood plain and the smaller parcel is comprised of a level,
triangular shaped field located between Old Mill Road and Doon Valley Drive. The zoning change
would accommodate a proposal to develop a total of 98 bungalow townhouse units as illustrated
on a draft site plan attached to the report. The staff report points out that most of an existing
dwelling (the original farmhouse, which is listed on the City's Heritage Inventory) on the property
will remain and an addition will be constructed to facilitate the development of a 'community
building' to act as a meeting place for residents of the project. As previously noted the proposal
requires that the current road allowance for Old Mill Road in front of the subject lands be closed
and purchased from the City by the owners in order to complete the development. Two issues
arise out of this road closure being: a Class 'A' Schedule Environmental Assessment is required in
order to re-locate the current road allowance to that currently shown on the draft site plan and
Municipal Plan Policies relating to the current classification of the road as a 'Scenic-Heritage'
Road require consideration.
Additional comment is contained in the staff report dealing with the Municipal Plan and Zoning By-
law, the diversion of Old Mill Road, structural setback from the top of the bank/GRCA concerns
and neighbourhood concerns relating to traffic, student housing and other concerns including
impact on property values, impact on the character of the surrounding area, lack of services for
seniors, density of the development and impact of the development on adjacent residential
property immediately west of the subject lands. In reference to the diversion of Old Mill Road it
was pointed out that Old Mill Road is currently classified as a Scenic-Heritage Road in the City's
Municipal Plan. It would appear Old Mill Road was designated for both scenic and historic
reasons and as such under the Policy no changes are to be permitted. However, notwithstanding
the above, it was staff's view that the proposed diversion of the road would generally conform to
Municipal Plan Policy given that it is intended that the former alignment can be preserved through
the site plan making it possible to preserve both the current view shed and the existing vegetation.
As well, the proposed realignment represents an improvement to the existing intersection with
Doon Valley Drive and represents a very small portion of the overall length of Old Mill Road.
BPS 00~25
3040 OLD MILL ROAD
ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION ZC 9918101GR
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JANET KUNSCH AND JOHN KINZIE
DOON-PIONEER WARD (CONT'D)
It was pointed out that notice that the Committee would hold a public meeting this date to consider
this matter had previously been given.
Mr. G. Richardson gave a detailed presentation reviewing most aspects of the comments
contained in the staff report. He noted that several new letters have been received from residents
pertaining to this matter. Mr. Richardson proposed that an additional recommendation be
considered dealing with revision to the Lower Doon Secondary Plan which reads as follows:
"That the Lower Doon Secondary Plan be revised by adding a new policy after section 1.6 to
permit multiple dwellings on lands located on the north side of Old Mill Road at its intersection with
Doon Valley Drive and municipally addressed as 3040 Old Mill Road."
Councillor B. Vrbanovic entered the meeting during Mr. Richardson's presentation.
For the record, it is noted that the zone change application number on page 1 of the staff report
should be corrected to ZC 99/8/O/GR rather than ZC 00/8/O/GR. Further, the date of the
proposed by-law as referenced in recommendation 1 of the staff report should be corrected to
March 16, 2000 rather than March 8, 2000.
In response to Councillor J. Haalboom, Mr. Richardson indicated that two meetings were held with
area residents concerning issues dealing with the proposed development. Councillor J. Haalboom
maintained that essentially only one meeting had been held since a meeting that took place on
January 25, 2000 basically dealt with a different subject. Mr. Richardson then explained the
consequences of the zoning change from R-3 to R-6 and deletion of lodging house as a permitted
use. Councillor T. Galloway questioned if there were any controls within the zone change that
would deal with the built form of the proposed development. Mr. Richardson noted that regulations
would provide for a 10 ¼ metre height restriction, a 100 unit density cap and a floor space of 1000
to 1200 square feet though some units could be larger. Councillor Galloway questioned if there
was anything in the zoning regulations that would address concerns over the possibility that the
property would be sold with the zoning in place. Mr. Richardson commented that features could
be added to the proposed by-law in order to tailor it to be more specific to the actual site of the
proposed development and as an example he referred to unit size.
Councillor G. Lorentz questioned exactly what the impact was of deleting lodging houses from the
zoning. Ms. C. Ladd advised that residents had a concern that the development could attract
students looking for accommodation and that staff had deleted the lodging house use to address
their concerns. However, any dwelling unit could have up to three lodgers. Further, she noted
that the current municipal plan supersedes the policies in the Doon South Secondary Plan.
Councillor C. Weylie raised the matter of controls on the site that were of concern to the GRCA
and Mr. Richardson replied that staff have had several discussions with representatives of the
GRCA on these matters.
Mr. Mel Code, Consultant, Community Planning and Land Development, appeared as a delegation
on behalf of the applicants in support of the recommendation contained in the staff report. Mr.
Code distributed a submission dated April 10, 2000 which he read to the Committee. The
submission dealt with R-3 zoning, a possible R-3 lotting plan which would allow for development of
60 single family homes on the site, the possibility that the lands might otherwise develop to meet
the demand for student housing, the impact of any development on the Hundt property with the
proposed development being the most desirable, density of the project which is below the norm for
cluster townhouses and traffic impact of the development which is quite acceptable. Mr. Code
confirmed that the proposal has been discussed with the immediate neighbours most affected by
the development.
BPS 00/25
3040 OLD MILL ROAD
ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION ZC 9918101GR
JANET KUNSCH AND JOHN KINZIE
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DOON-PIONEER WARD (CONT'D)
Councillor J. Ziegler questioned Mr. Code if his client would agree to a one month deferral of
consideration of this application in order for resident concerns to be fully addressed. Mr. Code
asked that Mr. L. Sheiner speak to this issue.
Mr. Lloyd Sheiner appeared as a delegation along with Mr. M. Code in support of the staff
recommendation. He advised that the application was filed in March 1999 and that discussions
were held with neighbours for a number of months following submission of the application. He
noted that for the past few months various consultants had been engaged, two meetings had been
held with Mr. Hundt as well as various casual meetings. Mr. Sheiner pointed out that the
development concept was reviewed in detail at a meeting held in September 1999 with area
residents and it was his interpretation that the proposal was the least disruptive to primary
concerns of the residents which related to traffic volumes and student housing. He advised that
the plan has been modified as a result of issues raised by residents and that he had only learned
last week that neighbourhood residents had hired an attorney to represent them as well as a
planning consultant. He suggested that it was not appropriate to defer the application at this late
stage. Councillor J. Ziegler commented that adherence to process often leads to acceptable
compromise among parties. Mr. Sheiner stated that it was his view that given everything that has
been done there was nothing more to discuss with the neighbourhood. In response to a question
from Councillor M. Yantzi, Mr. M. Code advised that the parking ratio per unit was 1.5 parking
spaces per unit with 30 parking spaces being provided for visitors.
Councillor J. Haalboom commented that her concern was that for 25 years area residents had an
expectation that the property would develop with single family dwellings under R-3 zoning and not
an R-6 multiple development. She also noted that she did not observe support for the project at
the neighbourhood meeting. Mr. Sheiner responded that his view of the neighbourhood meeting
was that as residents began to fully understand the proposed development they were generally
satisfied and that subsequently their comments related to the merits of the development in terms of
the subject property.
Councillor T. Galloway also expressed concern that if the zoning was approved and the current
development proposal did not go forward the property might be purchased for development with
an entirely different proposal. He was advised by the delegation that the proposed development
would proceed with pre-selling of phases, that the owners were under no pressure whatsoever to
sell the property should the marketplace delay the proposed development and that they were
prepared to reduce the height restriction of buildings to 8 metres instead of 10 ½ metres.
Mr. Steve Grant, Madorin Snyder, Barristers and Solicitors, appeared as a delegation representing
approximately 46 neighbourhood residents to object to the zone change application and request
the application be deferred for four weeks so as to allow for concerns of the residents to be
addressed by the applicant. A submission dated April 5, 2000 from Mr. Grant was distributed with
the agenda. The submission notes that the residents have two principle objections being the
change in zoning and the proposed re-alignment of Old Mill Road. The basis of the objections
was elaborated on in Mr. Grant's submission. Mr. Grant noted that concerns relating to
compatibility with existing development, density, traffic volume and preservation of Old Mill Road
could be discussed if deferral was agreed to in hopes of reaching compromise. He suggested that
while the residents feel the proposal is not compatible, discussion might achieve compatibility. Mr.
Grant then commented on Mr. Code's submission with respect to a potential 60 single family home
development and noted that the suggestion by Mr. Code that most might be duplexed to facilitate
student housing was inappropriate. He also expressed concern that should the development be
approved but fail to achieve an acceptable level of pre-sales there was serious concern as to
questions of future property ownership and future development proposals on the property. Finally,
Mr. Grant advised that if deferral was not granted by the Committee this date, the residents who
have registered as delegations wish to make their presentations.
BPS 00/25
3040 OLD MILL ROAD
ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION ZC 9918101GR
JANET KUNSCH AND JOHN KINZIE
DOON-PIONEER WARD (CONT'D)
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The following individuals were registered as delegations to speak on the zone change application:
- Louisa Stephenson
- Brad Schneider
- Brian Doyle
- Lori Shultz
- Pat Nippell
- Jeanne Leis
- Larry Hundt
- Brigitte EngeI-Nevill (fax distributed this date)
- Tim Bartels (submission distributed this date)
- Cecilia MacEachon
- Val Zietsma
For the record, written submissions were received and distributed with the Committee agenda
from:
- Dennis Oleskevich
- Connie and David Grimm
In response to Mayor C. Zehr, Mr. Grant commented that the status of the site plan was simply a
proposal and it was questionable as to how the proposed road diversion could comply with
Municipal Plan Policies in terms of preservation of the vista of the existing road. In further
responding to Mayor C. Zehr, Mr. Grant commented that the deferral would allow for compatability
issues to be fully explored. He also stated that there was no guarantee the proposed development
would be built but that perhaps through discussion, regulations could be developed within the
zoning by-law that would satisfy residents should the proposed development in this form not
proceed.
Councillor Jake Smola entered the meeting at this point.
Councillor John Smola asked that staff comment on the suggested 60 lot subdivision development
that Mr. Code referred to as an alternative possibility. Mr. Richardson advised that the 60 lot
subdivision could probably proceed with modifications but that the number of units would be
similar to what has been suggested. Ms. C. Ladd also commented that there were a few
development constraints on this property but that the lot yield was realistic.
Councillor J. Haalboom stated that she had many concerns with the development as do many of
the delegations attending this date and that there was much uncertainty and lack of security as to
the form of final development. Accordingly, for reasons of compatability and in order to consider a
traffic report which she has not received, she asked that consideration be deferred so as to allow
the applicant the opportunity to meet with area residents to more fully discuss their concerns.
Councillor J. Haalboom then put forward a deferral motion. Before considering the motion,
Councillor C. Weylie questioned if there was anyone in attendance who wished to speak on the
application who was not with Mr. Grant's group.
Ms. Val Zietsma advised that she was in favour of the zone change application and commented
that many of the residents in the neighbourhood appeared to fear change. She suggested that the
proposal was an opportunity to enhance the neighbourhood and noted that the development
would attract seniors who would not negatively impact the neighbourhood in respect to traffic
volumes and would not be willing to take in student boarders. In response to Councillor J. Ziegler,
Ms. Zietsma noted that she lives approximately two blocks from the subject property and has
significant experience working with seniors whose lifestyle would not be a threat to the community.
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ZONE CHANGE APPLICATION ZC 9918101GR
JANET KUNSCH AND JOHN KINZIE
DOON-PIONEER WARD (CONT'D)
Mr. Lloyd Sheiner commented that a one month deferral would not make any difference in terms of
the year of work that has gone into planning the development. Further, he stated that the
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Kunsch's would not be available for a meeting within that time frame. He also clarified that the
development could be built in smaller phases on a pre-sell basis in response to a question raised
earlier.
Mr. Steve Grant confirmed that the residents wish to meet with the applicant to explore
development options. Mrs. J. Kunsch indicated that she would be available for the regular
committee meeting to be held May 29, 2000.
The motion of Councillor J. Haalboom was then put to a vote.
It was resolved:
"That consideration of Zone Change Application ZC 99/8/O/GR (3040 Old Mill Road - Janet
Kunsch and John Kinzie) be deferred and referred to the May 29, 2000 Planning and
Economic Development Committee meeting."
3. ADJOURNMENT
On motion, the meeting adjourned at 5:13 p.m.
L.W. Neil, AMCT
Assistant City Clerk