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HERITAGE KITCHENER MINUTES
APRIL 9, 1999 CITY OF KITCHENER
Heritage Kitchener met this date, chaired by Councillor J. Haalboom, commencing at 12:10 p.m., with the
following members present: Councillor T. Galloway, Ms. T. Seedhouse, Ms. P. Wagner, Messrs. P. Bufe,
E. Lucy, A. Majauskas and B. Scott.
Regrets: Ms. C. Martindale and Ms. G. Engel
Others present: Ms. S. Barber, Messrs. B. Stanley, S. Gyorffy, J. Witmer, L. Bensason and Ms. D.
Gilchrist.
1. DELEGATIONS - ADDITION TO KOR ARTS CENTRE - 79 JOSEPH STREET (V.P.A.H.C.D.)
Ms. D. Rothwell and Mr. R. Dyck were in attendance to advise Heritage Kitchener of the addition
proposed for the Kor Arts Centre, 79 Joseph Street, located in the Victoria Park Area Heritage
Conservation District.
Mr. Dyck introduced this matter and distributed a concept drawing of the building, including the
proposed addition, showing an outer surface, for the existing building and addition, of stucco. He
noted that a substantial addition is proposed. He explained that the concept drawing borrows
architectural features from the Clock Tower. Mr. Dyck noted that the exterior of the building would
be covered with a stucco product. He advised that there would be an art panel on the front of the
addition and on the side of the existing building. Mr. L. Bensason questioned whether there would
be a flat roof throughout and Mr. Dyck responded that there would be. Mr. Bensason questioned
whether there would one window at the back and whether the fence would be removed and Mr.
Dyck responded in the affirmative to both.
Ms. D. Rothwell advised that the fence compound will be removed and parking will be located at
the front of the building. She noted that an "Art in the Park" program will be started this summer.
Also, there will be an artifacts and sculpture park at the back of the building and Mr. Nicholas
Reese in working on the artifacts.
A brief discussion took place as to whether this building is really designated and Mr. Bensason
advised that the building is located in the Heritage Conservation District and is therefore
designated.
A discussion took place with respect to the proposed resurfacing of the existing building, with
several members of the Committee questioning the need to resurface the building. Mr. Dyck
responded that this was a Hydro substation and does not really tie into the other buildings in the
park. Councillor Haalboom spoke of the problems experienced in Vancouver with the use of these
stucco products.
Councillor T. Galloway questioned whether the theme is being followed around the building. Mr.
Dyck advised that it would be; as it is important to have an attractive entrance to the park.
Mr. B. Scott stated that knowing the use of the building puts it in a unique position. He felt that the
Kor Arts Centre is doing something unique and valuable for the community. He stated that he
agreed with the discussions about the brick. He noted that the neighbourhood is welcoming this
project with open arms.
Councillor J. Haalboom questioned whether it would be possible to combine the new stucco
addition with the existing brick building. Mr. P. Bufe questioned when this building was
constructed. He suggested that, depending on the date, it could be a significant part of Hydro in
Berlin. Mr. L. Bensason suggested that this Hydro substation is part of the history of the City. He
questioned whether anything could be preserved to show its link with the past. Ms. Rothwell
responded that two places on the building have been arranged for murals. They could catch the
theme of what this building was formally about. Also, industrial artifacts could be included. She
noted that it is not a building that stands out.
Mr. B. Scott spoke of the transformer at the Scott Pavilion, noting that it would make an interesting
addition to the whole site.
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1. DELEGATIONS ADDITION TO KOR CENTRE 79 JOSEPH STREET (V.P.A.H.C.D.)
CONT'D
Councillor T. Galloway advised that the City wants to create a new entrance to Victoria Park. He
noted there will be a new streetscape down Gaukel Street to lead to the park and it is hoped that
a new entrance way will be created which will tie it into City Hall. Council is going to want
something done with this building to tie it into City Hall. Councillor Galloway then questioned the
policies in the Heritage Conservation District plan and what the jurisdiction is. Mr. L. Bensason
advised that there are two categories, major work and minor work; based on the information
submitted today, Mr. Bensason suggested that this is major work. He noted that a formal alteration
application is required. He noted that there are architectural and physical elements which could
be considered.
Ms. P. Wagner questioned the timelines and whether a subcommittee should be struck. Ms. D.
Rothwell advised that they are receiving the third phase of a Federal grant. They will be getting
their equipment at the beginning of June. Their time line is pressing and they are out of space
now. Ms. Rothwell advised that they wish to start the project by June 15.
It was agreed that subcommittee would meet on site and a special Heritage Kitchener meeting
would be scheduled for April 19. The subcommittee is to be composed of Mr. B. Scott, Mr. P. Bufe
and Mr. E. Lucy. Mr. L. Bensason suggested that information on the proposed street
improvements be obtained from Mr. W. Sleeth of the Parks and Recreation Department.
(NOTE: The special Heritage Kitchener meeting which was suggested for April 19, 1999, was
rescheduled for Thursday, April 22, 1999, at 4:15 p.m.)
2. DELEGATIONS - SPANNING THE GENERATIONS (BRIDGE ASSESSMENT)
Mr. M. Fontaine, a research student for the Region of Waterloo, was in attendance to present his
research on bridges in Waterloo Region. Through his PowerPoint presentation, Mr. Fontaine
reviewed the stages of his research: creating the inventory, historic research on the evolution of
bridge construction and future use.
Mr. Fontaine then reviewed, with specific and photographic examples, the major stages in bridge
evolution. Mr. Fontaine then displayed slides of various bridges in the Region, listing the 10 top
heritage bridges, using the criteria from the Ontario Heritage Bridge Program, being: the Freeport
Bridge, the West Montrose Covered Bridge, the Main Street Bridge, the Hartman Bridge, the Mill
Creek Bridge, the Mennonite Bridge, the Haysville Bridge, the Bridgeport Bridge, the Park Hill
Road Bridge, the Black Bridge Road Bridge.
The recommendations for the future of Bridges in this Region, as presented by Mr. Fontaine,
included: creating public awareness through education, creating a bridge profile,
tourism/commercial licence, and an adopt-a-bridge campaign.
Several members of the Committee and staff complimented Mr. Fontaine on his presentation and
research.
Mr. Fontaine advised that the purpose of his research was to collect documentation to protect
those bridges under pressure from new transportation studies. When questioned by Councillor T.
Galloway concerning preservation strategies, Mr. Fontaine responded that he attempted to
develop a scope of bridges which best represented specific periods of time. He suggested that we
need to plan ahead to see where transportation routes will need to be expanded. We need to
anticipate future transportation network needs, zoning and planning documents so that these
bridges can be protected.
3. LOG HOUSE - 146 PIONEER TOWER ROAD
Mr. L. Bensason provided the Committee members with copies of Business and Planning Services
staff report BPS 99/58, dated April 8, 1999, with respect to a recommendation that the City
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purchase the log house discovered at 146 Pioneer Tower Road.
LOG HOUSE - 146 PIONEER TOWER ROAD - CONT'D
Councillor Haalboom advised the Committee that the log house was built in approximately 1870.
When this matter came before the Committee, prior to the discovery of the log house, it was noted
that the interior and exterior of the building were in bad shape. This Committee did agree to the
demolition of the house, subject to heritage documentation being done. She noted that when the
cladding was stripped down it was discovered there was a log house underneath. Councillor
Haalboom advised that Kieswetter, who was hired to do the demolition, dismantled the log house
sensitively and numbered the logs and removed them from the property. Kieswetter is willing to
sell the logs to the City.
Mr. L. Bensason advised that he has looked through the Heritage Conservation District plan
proposed for the area and there are several spots available for siting the log house. He noted that
the recommendations contained in the Business and Planning Services staff report would be
considered by Finance and Administration Committee on Monday, April 12th and be forwarded for
adoption at the special Council meeting that day.
Mr. Bensason advised that he did not have much time to prepare the report, as a two week period
was given by Kieswetter. Mr. Bensason then explained the recommendations outlined in the
report noting that the cost of obtaining the logs is $20,000.00 with an additional $3,000.00 for
cleansing the timbers, blueprint and archival information. Mr. Bensason noted that, because of
alterations to the building over the years, not enough logs remain to rebuild the 1-1/2 storey
house; however, only 75 per cent of the logs are needed to reconstruct a one storey building. Mr.
Bensason then suggested a few sites where the log house could be relocated. He advised that
there is no reason why the use and location have to be determined at this time. He suggested that
sources of funding could be research and this could become a community based project. Mr.
Bensason then described the buy-back option with Kieswetter if the City decides, over time, that it
does not want to keep the log house.
Councillor T. Galloway stated that it was unfortunate that we did not know that this was a log
structure years ago. It could have been requested that it be used at the Pumping Station.
Councillor Galloway noted that $10,000.00 has been received by the City from Parks Canada and
is held in trust. Councillor Galloway then referred to the map in the report and commented on the
amount of money spent by the City and the Grand River Conservation Authority to acquire land
along the ridge. A brief discussion then took place with respect to how the money from Parks
Canada could be spent. Councillor Galloway stated that he thought the idea of securing the logs
and storing them was good idea. He also advised that the neighbourhood thinks this is a good
idea. A brief discussion then took place with respect to revenue sources.
Mr. B. Scott put forward a motion to endorse the recommendations contained in the staff report.
Councillor T. Galloway requested an amendment to include a request that a community based
steering committee be established to review alternate locations for the reconstruction for the log
house. This amendment was accepted by Mr. Scott as a friendly amendment.
Councillor T. Galloway stated that we may not see these kinds of things in the future, as we now
require Heritage Impact Assessments. He noted that when developers are looking for approvals
they will do a lot of things to get the approvals they want. Trying to do this after the approvals are
given is much more difficult. He noted that Heritage policies make is easier to get things done to
protect Heritage. A discussion then took place on how it would be determined that a significant
structure exists through the Heritage Impact Assessment. It was suggested that terms of reference
need to be included requiring the penetration of buildings. A discussion also took place with
respect to the possibility that the site has archeological significance, given that the building was
used as a coach house. There was some discussion with respect to any conditions applicable at
the building permit stage requiring archeological investigation. Councillor T. Galloway then
questioned what should be done to ensure that Heritage Impact Assessments include
investigation of buildings. Mr. B. Stanley suggested that guidelines be considered. Councillor J.
Haalboom requested that Mr. Stanley and Mr. Bensason investigatethe possibility of guidelines for
Heritage Impact Assessments that would prevent this situation happening in the future. It was
suggested that staff look into this over the next month.
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LOG HOUSE - 146 PIONEER TOWER ROAD - CONT'D
On a motion by Mr. B. Scott,
it was resolved:
"That, with respect to the log house discovered at 146 Pioneer Tower Road, Heritage
Kitchener endorses the recommendations contained in Business & Planning Services staff
report BPS 99/58; and further,
That a community based steering committee be established to further review alternatives
for reconstruction of the log house discovered at 146 Pioneer Tower Road."
WATERLOO REGIONAL HERITAGE FOUNDATION NOMINATIONS FOR AWARDS OF
EXCELLENCE
The Committee was in receipt of a call for nominations for Waterloo Regional Heritage Foundation
1999 Awards of Excellence. The Committee discussed briefly various nominations and passed
the following resolutions.
On a motion by Mr. P. Bufe,
it was resolved:
"That Mr. E. Koch be nominated for a Waterloo Regional Heritage Foundation 1999 Award
of Excellence for undertaking to preserve four properties at the corner of Irvin Street and
Frederick Street, Kitchener, keeping the integrity of the neigbourhood."
On a motion by Ms. P. Wagner,
it was resolved:
"That the owner of 748 Zeller Drive be nominated for a Waterloo Regional Heritage
Foundation 1999 Award of Excellence for good conservation techniques and for being
willing to have a Heritage Easement."
On a motion by Ms. P. Wagner,
it was resolved:
"That Ms. E. Salter of the Ministry of Citizenship, Culture and Recreation be nominated for
a 1999 Sally Thorsen Award of Excellence."
On a motion by Mr. B. Scott,
it was resolved:
"That the Grade Two teachers at Brigadoon Public School be nominated for a Waterloo
Regional Heritage Foundation 1999 Award of Excellence for their local history program."
On a motion by Mr. P. Bufe,
it was resolved:
"That Mr. L. Bensason, Heritage Planner, be nominated for a Waterloo Regional Heritage
Foundation 1999 Award of Excellence."
On a motion by Mr. B. Scott,
it was resolved:
"That Mr. N. Reese be nominated for a Waterloo Regional Heritage Foundation 1999
Award of Excellence in the Cultural category."
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5. HERITAGE KITCHENER 1999 OBJECTIVES
a) Heritaqe Conservation District siqna,qe.
It was noted that work is progressing on the signs for the Heritage Conservation Districts.
Mr. Scott advised that the Clock Tower would be an appropriate symbol for those signs to
be located in the Victoria Park Area Heritage Conservation District. It was noted that a
symbol is still being sought for the signs to be located in the Upper Doon Heritage
Conservation District.
b) Walkin,q Tour Booklet
Mr. B. Scott advised that he will continue to work with this project.
c) Interpretative Facility in Upper Doon
Councillor J. Haalboom advised that this objective is underway.
d) Heritaqe Trust
Councillor J. Haalboom advised that this project is in the works.
e) Promotion and Publicicty
It was noted that this matter was partially achieved through the Heritage Showcase.
f) Handbook of Desiqnated Properties
Mr. Bensason advised that Ms. S. Barber is working on this project which still requires work.
It was noted that Mr. D. Pullen, who initiated this project, would be contacted.
Mr. A. Majauskas was questioned as to which project he would like to become involved with and
he advised that he would work on promoting Heritage values from the real estate point of view.
Mr. P. Wagner requested that a date be put next to the properties on the Inventory List. Mr. P.
Bufe mentioned the assessment dates as not being totally accurate and research was required.
6. HERITAGE CONSERVATION DISTRICT SIGNAGE
Mr. E. Lucy advised that documentation would be distributed to the neighbours in the Upper Doon
Heritage Conservation District requesting suggestions as to where the signs should be located
and a symbol for the District. He suggested that the logo could be the Twines Warehouse which is
now the Wilfong garage. This brief discussion took place with respect to having signs at both
entrances to this District. Mr. Bensason also reminded the members that the signs and their
locations have to meet traffic and by-law requirements, so that approvals will have to sought for
specific signs.
With respect to signs for the Victoria Park District, Mr. B. Scott advised that the neighbourhood
agrees to the Clock Tower as being the symbol on those signs. Mr. Scott advised that he will meet
with Mr. Bensason to determine appropriate locations, in the District, for the signs and then he will
communicate that information with the community.
7. 379 GLASGOW STREET - DESIGNATION
Mr. Bensason advised that, because of the time required to prepare the report for 146 Pioneer
Tower Road, the report was not prepared for this property. Slides of the property were shown and
a discussion took place with respect with features of the interior and exterior of the building. The
Committee also discussed how the widening of Westmount/Glasgow intersection would affect this
property. Mr. Bensason proposed a recommendation to be forwarded to the Regional
Heritage Planning Advisory Committee. Councillor J. Haalboom and Ms. P. Wagner asked Mr.
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10.
Bensason to make a presentation at the next H.P.A.C. meeting. A request was made for the
379 GLASGOW STREET - DESIGNATION - CONT'D
Committee Administrator to fax a copy of this Committee's resolution to the secretary of that
Committee.
On a motion by Ms. T. Seedhouse,
it was resolved:
"That Heritage Kitchener express its concern to the Regional Heritage Planning Advisory
Committee regarding the potential impact Regional work proposed for the intersection of
Westmount Road and Glasgow Street may have on 379 Glasgow Street; said property
being listed on the City's Heritage Inventory and presently being considered for designation
under the Ontario Heritage Act."
STECKLE HERITAGE HOMESTEAD -ALTERATION
Mr. Bensason advised that Dr. Steckle had requested a deferral of this matter to the May meeting.
Councillor J. Haalboom asked for a further report and summary for the May meeting.
62 KING STREET EAST - COMMENTS TO STAFF
Councillor J. Haalboom explained to the Committee the proposed demolition of this building, which
abutts the former Toronto Dominion Bank. Mr. Bensason advised that the matter is before this
Committee because of the impact this demolition may have on the bank building. He advised that
it is now known that there are two separate wall systems and it is proposed that the wall of the
Toronto Dominion Bank will be stuccoed after the demolition. Mr. Bensason suggested that the
Committee could strike a subcommittee to investigate this matter. It was agreed that a
subcommittee would be struck composed of Mr. B. Scott, Ms. S. Barber and Mr. P. Bufe, after a
brief discussion.
On a motion by Mr. B. Scott,
it was resolved:
"That Heritage Kitchener request the City's Chief Building Official to consider permitting a
Heritage Kitchener subcommittee to complete an architectural and historic review of 62
King Street East, prior to issuing a demolition permit for the subject property; and,
That should the demolition permit be issued, consideration be given to ensure demolition of
62 King Street East does not threaten the structural stability of the former Toronto Dominion
Bank, located at 68 King Street East; and further,
That the Chief Building Official give consideration to inviting the Heritage Kitchener
subcommittee to provide input as to the treatment of the newly exposed wall of the Toronto
Dominion Bank, created by the demolition of 62 King Street East, relative to proposed
surface material, treatment and colour."
UPDATES
a) St. Mary's Heritaqe Conservation District
The Committee was advised that on Friday April 16th, the consultants would be
interviewed.
b) 3040 Old Mill Road
It was noted that Ms. P. Wagner had done the historic research on this property and Mr. P.
Bufe was having trouble with the title search. Ms. Wagner briefly advised of some of the
historic research undertaken and that a title search was essential. It was also noted that
answers with respect to the golf course were needed.
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10. UPDATES - CON'TD
c) 921 Glas,qow Street
A subcommittee consisting of Ms. C. Martindale, Ms. G. Engel and Ms. S. Barber was
struck with respect to investigating the historic and architectural merits of this property.
d) Grand River South Community Plan
It was noted that there was nothing further at this time.
11. SONNECK HOUSE
Mr. L. Bensason addressed the Committee advising that the new owners of this property want to
make use of the adaptive re-use incentives and in order for those incentives to apply to this
property it would have to be in a community improvement area. It was suggested that this property
be added to the City's adaptive re-use sites. Mr. Bensason then suggested that the Committee
may wish to ask Council to pass a by-law making designated heritage sites which are located in
community improvement areas eligible for the incentives applicable to adaptive re-use sites in
community improvement areas.
Councillor J. Haalboom declared a pecuniary interest as her home is designated and did not
participate in any discussion or voting with respect to this matter. Ms. P. Wagner assumed the
Chair at this time.
A brief discussion took place in this regard. Mr. Bufe questioned whether the situation could be
turned around so that all designation properties could be deemed to be for adaptive re-use.
It was agreed that this matter would be discussed further at the May meeting.
Councillor J. Haalboom assumed the Chair at this time.
12. NATCHEZ AREA
Ms. P. Wagner advised that Mr. B. Woolner had taken her on a tour of the Natchez Area. 658
Zeller Drive was viewed and Mr. Woolner advised that this property was part of his family's history.
Ms. Wagner suggested that this property be added to the Heritage Inventory and the Committee
generally agreed to this.
13. 5 MAURICE STREET
Mr. P. Bufe questioned what was happening with the necessary repairs to 5 Maurice Street and
Mr. Bensason advised that he would contact the Director of Kitchener Housing to see where it is in
their priorities and would advise Mr. P. Bufe.
14. SUMMER STUDENT
Mr. L. Bensason advised that Ms. S. Barber would start her summer work term on May 3.
15. NEXT MEETING
The next regular meeting of Heritage Kitchener will take place on Friday, May 7, 1999,
commencing at 11:45 a.m. in the Conestoga Room.
16. ADJOURNMENT
On motion, the meeting adjourned at 3:55 p.m.
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Dianne H. Gilchrist
Committee Administrator