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HomeMy WebLinkAboutHeritage Kitchener - 1999-12-03H E RITAG E\1999-12-03 HERITAGE KITCHENER MINUTES DECEMBER 37 1999 CITY OF KITCHENER Heritage Kitchener met this date, chaired by Councillor J. Haalboom, commencing at 12:00 noon, with the following members present: Ms. G. Engel, Ms. P. Wagner, Messrs. P. Bufe, J. Countryman, E. Lucy, B. Scott and S. Sykes. Mr. W. Stauch was in attendance for part of the meeting. Others present: Messrs. L. Bensason, M. Price, W. Pearce and Ms. D. Gilchrist. 1. APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR On motion by Mr. P. Bufe - it was resolved: "That Councillor J. Haalboom be appointed Chair of Heritage Kitchener for a term to expire November 30, 2000." On a motion by Mr. B. Scott - it was resolved: "That Ms. P. Wagner be appointed Vice-Chair of Heritage Kitchener for a term to expire November 30, 2000." 2. INTRODUCTION OF NEW MEMBERS Councillor J. Haalboom welcomed all the members to the meeting and had each member introduce themselves. She briefly listed upcoming events for Heritage Kitchener, in the New Year and introduced staff. She also mentioned that the Committee has an excellent co-op student summer work term program. Councillor Haalboom then referred the members to the year 2000 meeting schedule attached to the agenda, noting that no meetings are scheduled for July and November. 3. ALTERATION APPLICATION - 124 WATER STREET SOUTH - VICTORIA PARK AREA HERITAGE CONSERVATION DISTRICT Ms. K. Winters, owner, and Mr. M. Petrocevic, were in attendance to represent the alteration application for the property municipally known as 124 Water Street South, located in the Victoria Park Area Conservation District. The Committee members were in receipt of a copy of the alteration application, site plan and elevation drawings. Mr. L. Bensason displayed slides of the subject property. He explained the proposed demolition of the detached garage and rear addition, and the construction of the new two- storey rear addition with attached garage, proposed for the left side of the property. Mr. Bensason explained that the owners have applied to the Committee of Adjustment for a minor variance for a six-inch sideyard on the proposed garage, rather than the required four feet. He noted that staff are recommending that the Committee of Adjustment application be deferred, pending Heritage Kitchener's decision. Further, they are not supportive of the six- inch sideyard, as it would not allow for maintenance of the side of the garage or the eaves. Staff would be willing to support a two-foot sideyard. Mr. Bensason suggested that there may be a problem with the front door of the garage if a two-foot sideyard is required. He noted the dilemma: the Committee of Adjustment application is being recommended for deferral pending Heritage Kitchener's decision; Heritage Kitchener may have a problem with not knowing the approved sideyard, as it will change the size of the garage. Mr. Bensason suggested that approval in principle could be given by Heritage Kitchener. Mr. P. Bufe questioned why the garage is proposed for the left side of the house. Ms. Winter noted that the existing driveway, on the right side of the house, is only 7-1/2 feet wide and they cannot get the family car in the driveway. Mr. Bufe referred to the tree on the left side of the house and Ms. Winter advised that the new driveway will be to the left of the tree. Mr. Petrocevic referred to the site plan and the slide of the property, explaining where the driveway will be located in relation to the tree. The question was raised as to whether the driveway will be located in the same position if a six-inch sideyard is not permitted, and Ms. Winter advised that it will be located in the same position in order to avoid the roots of the HERITAGE KITCHENER DECEMBER 3, 1999 - 80 - CITY OF KITCHENER tree. ALTERATION APPLICATION - 124 WATER STREET SOUTH - VICTORIA PARK AREA HERITAGE CONSERVATION DISTRICT - CONT'D Mr. B. Scott questioned the cladding for the addition and Ms. Winter advised that they would like to try and match the brick, broken with board and batten. Mr. Scott then commented on the pitch of the roof which would not be consistent with the existing roof. He suggested that a two-foot sideyard would require a change in the pitch of the roof. Ms. Winter noted that they are still in the planning process and welcome any suggestions. Councillor Haalboom questioned their timelines and Ms. Winter responded that they propose to building next summer. She then questioned whether the proposal is for a two-car garage and Ms. Winter advised that it would be for a one-car garage. Councillor Haalboom questioned the Committee as to whether they would be willing to form a sub-committee to work through the details. Mr. Scott responded that he would rather deal with the application today. Mr. Bensason then advised that Planning staff are interested in knowing if Heritage Kitchener is prepared to deal with the concept of the demolition of the existing detached garage and rear addition. They would also like to know if Heritage Kitchener is supportive of the concept of the new garage and new addition. Ms. P. Wagner commented that the roofline is not compatible with the house and questioned whether the garage could be located to the rear of the house. Mr. Petrocevic noted that the proposed location provides convenience for the owners as it is to be adjacent to the proposed new mudroom; also, it would take up too much room in the rearyard. Councillor Haalboom commented that she appreciated the need for convenience; however, she was concerned about what the attachment would do to the house. Ms. Winter asked the Committee to keep in mind that the garage will be well back from the front of the house. The Committee then reviewed the suggestion and staff concerns expressed by Mr. Bensason. On a motion by Mr. B. Scott - it was resolved: "That, pursuant to Section 43 of the Ontario Heritage Act, Council approve the request of the owner to demolish the detached garage and rear addition on the property municipally known as 124 Water Street South, located in the Victoria Park Area Heritage Conservation District; and further, That Council approve, in principle, the construction of an attached garage on the left side and a two storey addition on the rear of the property municipally known as 124 Water Street South; subject to working with a Heritage Kitchener sub-committee on the design details, and receiving final approval pursuant to the Ontario Heritage Act." It was agreed that a Heritage Kitchener sub-committee, composed of Messrs. B. Scott, P. Bufe and S. Sykes, would work with the owners on the design for the proposed addition and garage. Ms. P. Wagner requested that the sub-committee address the following design components: the roofline of the garage, the compatibility of the windows and the garage door. It was generally agreed that the request would come to Heritage Kitchener at the February 4, 2000 meeting. Councillor J. Haalboom requested that when this application is considered at the February meeting, the applicant attempt to provide a 3-D representation. REQUEST FOR CHANGE OF CONDITION FOR DEMOLITION APPROVAL - 161 QUEEN STREET SOUTH-SANDHILLS PROJECT The Committee was in receipt of a copy of Council's resolution of February 15, 1999, approving demolition of 161 Queen Street South pursuant to the Ontario Heritage Act, which was subject to two conditions. The Committee was also in receipt of correspondence from Mr. HERITAGE KITCHENER DECEMBER 3, 1999 -81 - CITY OF KITCHENER G. Woolner, Project Co-ordinator for the Sandhills Christian Community, requesting that condition (a) of the demolition approval be deleted, and why. REQUEST FOR CHANGE OF CONDITION FOR DEMOLITION APPROVAL - 161 QUEEN STREET SOUTH - SANDHILLS PROJECT - CONT'D Mr. Bensason addressed the Committee, referred to the agenda material and explained the request. Slides of the subject property were displayed. Mr. G. Woolner addressed the Committee and displayed a site plan of the subject property. He stressed that the request is based on their concern about creating a dangerous traffic situation with construction vehicles, noting that it would also be dangerous for pedestrians. He noted that they will soon have to bring site servicing into the property. He felt this to be a common sense request. Mr. Woolner then noted that the Schmalz Building at 189 Queen Street South is architecturally similar to 161 Queen Street South and this building will remain on the property. He advised that they will be using building material from 161 Queen Street South to restore 189 Queen Street South. Ms. P. Wagner questioned where the building materials from the demolished St. George Street properties is stored and Mr. Woolner advised that Kieswetter did the demolition and has the material. He noted that interior materials and bricks have been salvaged. Councillor Haalboom questioned whether the proponents are going to preserve the building materials from 161 Queen Street South in 189 Queen Street South and Mr. Woolner advised that was correct. A brief discussion then took place with respect to the possibility of demolishing the property beside 161 Queen Street South, instead, in order to accommodate the traffic flow. On a motion by Ms. P. Wagner - it was resolved: "That Council accede to the request of the owners, Benton Street Baptist Church, to delete condition (a) of Council's February 15, 1999, approval to demolish 161 Queen Street South pursuant to the Ontario Heritage Act, which condition required the demolition permit not to be issued until just prior to the proposed 58-unit apartment building being ready for occupancy; and further, That the demolition permit be issued subject to the one remaining condition, being the recording of the building to a standard acceptable to the City's Heritage Planner." ALTERATION APPLICATION 811 BLEAMS ROAD - STECKLE HERITAGE HOMESTEAD The Committee was in receipt of copies of the alteration application for 181 Bleams Road, Steckle Heritage Homestead, along with a floor plan for the Forge Barn and elevations sketches. Mr. L. Bensason explained the alterations proposed in this application and slides of the barn were displayed. Mr. J. Clinkett briefly reviewed the proposed alterations noting that they are required to accommodate children's camps, part of which is cooking and food preparation. He reviewed the proposed alterations, with the aid of the slides and drawings attached to the agenda. The Committee discussed the number and types of windows and door proposed in the alterations. Councillor J. Haalboom questioned whether the Committee was prepared to pass a motion to approve the alterations. Ms. Engel put forward a motion to approve the alteration application which was voted on and lost. Messrs. P. Bufe and B. Scott both requested detailed elevation drawings for the proposed alterations before a motion is considered. On a motion by Mr. P. Bufe - it was resolved: "That consideration of the alteration application for 811 Bleams Road, Steckle Heritage Homestead be deferred pending receipt of more detailed drawings of the south HERITAGE KITCHENER DECEMBER 3, 1999 - 82 - CITY OF KITCHENER elevation of the Forge Barn containing information on the position of windows, doors, and any other changes to the facade necessary to install them." ALTERATION APPLICATION 811 BLEAMS ROAD - STECKLE HERITAGE HOMESTEAD - CONT'D A sub-committee consisting of Ms. G. Engel, and Messrs. P. Bufe and B. Scott volunteered to work with the owner regarding the proposed alterations. FACADE IMPROVEMENTS - 158 KING STREET WEST Mr. L. Bensason reviewed the recommendation of Heritage Kitchener, passed at the November meeting, which was adopted by Council, to investigate the merits of designating 158 King Street West, and proposing options for facade improvements. Slides of the property were displayed. The Committee members had been provided with an extract from The King Street Facade Study relative to this property. Mr. Bensason advised of some preliminary research on ownership of this property. Mr. D. Hergott, Manager of Facilities Management, was in attendance and advised that the City has "mothballed" the building. Signage has been removed and an additional door will be installed to try and prevent vandalism. He noted that the windows are not original. Following discussion, Councillor Haalboom requested the following: a) That staff obtain more information on the building to determine whether it has historic and/or architectural merit; b) That staff from the Facilities Management Division determine what is underneath the metal cladding on the front of the building; c) That Mr. W. Pearce, Loans/Incentives Co-ordinator be requested to prepare an estimate of costs to restore the facade in accordance with The King Street Facade Study; and, d) That the possibility of different types of windows be investigated. Mr. L. Bensason noted the demolition of the building at the corner of Duke and Victoria Streets, advising that Mr. Hergott was instrumental in obtaining the portico which is now stored in a City facility. ALTERATION APPLICATION - J. M. DRAMA - 122 FREDERICK STREET - REGISTRY BUILDING Mr. B. Scott declared a pecuniary interest in this matter as his employer owns the building, and did not participate in any discussion or voting in respect to this matter. Mr. D. Bourgeois of J. M. Drama and Mr. M. Price, Manager, Culture, Events, Leisure Programs were in attendance. The Committee had been provided with Council's resolution of November 1, 1999, with respect to Heritage Kitchener's resolution for approval, in principle, to J. M. Drama's proposed alterations to 122 Frederick Street, for use as a community arts centre. The Committee was also in receipt of electronic mail from Mr. D. Bourgeois with respect to condition (c) of Council's resolution. Mr. L. Bensason reviewed Council's resolution of November 1, 1999. With respect to condition (a), Mr. Bensason advised that he had spoken with Ms. M. Sanderson, Supervisor, Leisure Support Services, who advised that a barrier-free access on the side of the building would be appropriate. Mr. Bensason then addressed condition (c) with respect to permission for the removal of portions of the grey and green marble walls and the terrazzo floor, subject to re-examination HERITAGE KITCHENER DECEMBER 3, 1999 - 83 - CITY OF KITCHENER of the necessity to do so. He referred to the copy of the electronic mail in the agenda, from Mr. D. Bourgeois. ALTERATION APPLICATION - J. M. DRAMA - 122 FREDERICK STREET - REGISTRY BUILDING - CONT'D Mr. Bourgeois addressed the Committee advising that they will not actually been removing the terrazzo floor, except where it comes up the bottom of those portions of the wall to be removed. The scar will result from the removal of the wall, not because the floor will be removed. He noted that it was the architect's suggestion to use carpeting to cover the scars; however, he is agreeable to not installing carpet. Mr. Bensason noted that the only portions of the terrazzo floor covered by the designation are located in the lobby; however, there will be scars to the terrazzo floors in other areas of the building not covered by the designation. He noted that this Committee would like the opportunity to recommend how these scars should be handled. Mr. Bourgeois explained that they wished to maintain and enhance the architecture and history of the building and are taking steps to do so. Mr. Bourgeois then reviewed the proposal of J. M. Drama for the benefit of the new committee members. He noted that the issue of the barrier-free access has been resolved. With respect to the terrazzo floor, Mr. Bourgeois advised that they will find a flexible material that is compatible. J. M. Drama has suggested that the City look at this proposal in the same manner as the Curling Hall of Fame; noting that Council was going to contribute approximately $90,000 in maintenance/upgrades. Staff have determined approximately $60,000 in maintenance in addition to the terrazzo floors. Mr. Bourgeois then referred to the marble walls and slides of the interior of the lobby were shown. He spoke of the barrier-free access and the question of where to move people once in the building. He advised that the proposal is to remove portions of the lobby walls to create a flow-through for people to move through the lobby. He advised that the wall pieces will be relocated in the building, in a location acceptable to Heritage Kitchener. He offered to meet in the building with Heritage Kitchener to determine a new location for these portions of wall. Mr. Bourgeois advised of the need for a seating arrangement for 180 seats, in order for this theatre to be viable. He advised that their studies show the need for a community arts theatre with 150-200 seats. If a portion of the proposed theatre space had to be used for the flow- through, enough seating area could not be realized to make the theatre viable. He noted that they want to create a theatre the users and audience will identify with, in order to make the project work in the short and long term. He stated that the groups need to know they can grow their audience. If this cannot be done, the project is dead. A brief discussion then took place with respect to the provision of adequate parking for the theatre. Councillor J. Haalboom noted that the barrier-free committee is agreeable to a side entrance and questioned whether Mr. Bourgeois would agree to this, and he advised that he would. Councillor Haalboom then referred to the portions of lobby walls to be removed, questioning whether they would be wide enough for wheel chairs. Mr. Bourgeois indicated they would be wide enough to accommodate the required flow-through. A discussion then took place with respect to the removal of portions of walls in the office areas and the additional scars which would be created in the terrazzo floors. Mr. Bourgeois acknowledged that additional scars would be created. He suggested that, perhaps, the Facilities Management Division may be able to include patching these scars in the repairs they propose for the terrazzo floors; if not, J. M. Drama could undertake the repairs over time. A discussion then took place regarding the ceiling in the main room and how the lighting grid will be fastened. Councillor Haalboom questioned whether J. M. Drama would be willing to return the building to its original state once the theatre operation ceases. Mr. Bourgeois noted that this is an adaptive re-use project. He advised that he does not want to make a commitment he cannot keep; as he may not be president of J. M. Drama at that time. Upon questioning, Mr. Bourgeois spoke of the lease and loan being requested of the City of HERITAGE KITCHENER DECEMBER 3, 1999 - 84 - CITY OF KITCHENER Kitchener. ALTERATION APPLICATION - J. M. DRAMA - 122 FREDERICK STREET - REGISTRY BUILDING - CONT'D Ms. P. Wagner requested that the ACO be approached to do a recording of the building, prior to any alterations taking place. On a motion by Mr. P. Bufe - it was resolved: "That, further to Council's referral of November 1, 1999 and in conjunction with J. M. Drama's proposal to alter the Registry Building, 122 Frederick Street, Heritage Kitchener agrees, in principal, to the relocation of the barrier-free access and lift to the north side of the building; subject to the approval of detailed drawings." On a motion by Mr. E. Lucy - it was resolved: "That, further to Council's direction of November 1, 1999, relating to re-examining the necessity to remove portions of the grey and green marble walls and terrazzo floors in the lobby of the Registry Building, 122 Frederick Street, Heritage Kitchener has no objection in this regard; subject to consultation on the extent of removal required and method of removal to allow re-use elsewhere in the building, as agreed between Heritage Kitchener and J. M. Drama." On a motion by Ms. P. Wagner- it was resolved: "That Heritage Kitchener be permitted to apply to the Architectural Conservancy of Ontario to have them prepare a recording and measured drawings of the Registry Building, 122 Frederick Street, with the cost to be paid from Heritage Kitchener's existing budget." Mr. B. Scott previously disclosed a pecuniary interest in this matter as his employer owns this building and did not participate in any discussion or voting with respect to this matter. FACADE IMPROVEMENTS - 144-150 KING STREET WEST Mr. W. Pearce was in attendance to review the facade improvements which have taken place at 144-150 King Street West. With the aid of slides of the building, Mr. Pearce noted the state of disrepair the building was in, requiring the City to issue an Order to Comply. Mr. Pearce then displayed slides of the repairs undertaken, including the finished product. Councillor J. Haalboom commended the work completed on this building and for staff for their involvement. 176 VICTORIA STREET NORTH Mr. Bensason advised that the Department of Business and Planning Services has received a request to occupy 100% of the building at 176 Victoria Street North with offices. Currently, the zoning by-law will permit only 25% of the building to be used as office; consequently, a zone change and Official Plan Amendment are required for this use. Mr. Bensason advised that there is a clause in the Official Plan which gives special consideration to Heritage structures. He felt that this special consideration should be limited to designated properties only. He advised that the property owner is willing to consider designation in exchange for an increase in office use. Mr. Bensason advised that he is asking the Committee to indicate if there may be merit in designating this property based on its architecture. Generally, the Committee felt that more information is required. Based on the slides shown at the meeting, the Committee agreed that there may be merit due to the similarity between this HERITAGE KITCHENER DECEMBER 3, 1999 - 85 - CITY OF KITCHENER 10. 11. building and architecture in the Victoria Park Area Heritage Conservation District. Bensason agreed to prepare a report for consideration at the January meeting. HERITAGE WEEK EVENTS Mr. Councillor Haalboom briefly reviewed the work required to participate in the Heritage Showcase in February 19, 2000. Messrs. P. Bufe, E. Lucy and W. Stauch agreed to contribute to two hours each to attend to the Committee's display. Mr. Sykes agreed to assist with setting up the display. Councillor Haalboom noted that Regional Council is being requested to include funding in its budget for restoration work for the Governor's House and Gaol, as a millennium project for the Region. She advised that Regional Council will be considering this at its meeting of December 8, 1999, at 5:00 p.m. She asked as many people as possible to attend. ADJOURNMENT On a motion the meeting adjourned at 3:50 p.m. Dianne H. Gilchrist Committee Administrator