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HERITAGE KITCHENER MINUTES
DECEMBER 87 2000
CITY OF KITCHENER
Heritage Kitchener met this date, chaired by Councillor M. Galloway, commencing at 12:00 noon, with the
following members present: Ms. G. Engel, Ms. C. Martindale, Ms. P. Wagner and Messrs. P. Bufe, R.
Green and E. Lucy.
Others Present: Messrs. F. Pizzuto, Z. Janecki, L. Bensason and Ms. D. Gilchrist.
1. APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR
On motion by Ms. P. Wagner-
it was resolved:
"That Councillor M. Galloway be appointed Chair of Heritage Kitchener for a term to
expire November 30, 2001 ."
On motion by Mr. P. Bufe -
it was resolved:
"That Ms. P. Wagner be appointed Vice-chair of Heritage Kitchener for a term to expire
November 30, 2001 ."
2. 24 PINNACLE DRIVE - DEMOLITION CONTROL APPLICATION
Mr. L. Bensason brought to the Committee's attention the Demolition Control Application submitted
by the property owner of 24 Pinnacle Drive, Kitchener. With the aid of a PowerPoint presentation
he showed photographs of the subject property noting that it is adjacent to 20 Pinnacle Drive which
is a designated property, and has recently been purchased by that property owner. He noted that
24 Pinnacle Drive has no formal Heritage status and has been brought to this Committee's
attention because it is in the area of interest as discussed for a proposed Heritage Conservation
District in Lower Doon. He advised that, for the January meeting, he would provide the Committee
with the Building Inspector's report. It was also suggested that a member of the Committee attend
the property with the Building Inspector.
171 QUEEN STREET SOUTH - DEMOLITION APPLICATION - VICTORIA PARK AREA
HERITAGE CONSERVATION DISTRICT
Mr. G. Woolner, Sandhills Residential Retirement Community Inc., appeared as a delegation
to represent the application for demolition for 171 Queen Street South, under the Ontario
Heritage Act. The Committee was in receipt of the Demolition Application, correspondence
from Mr. Woolner, dated October 2, 2000, and a site plan of the property. At the meeting,
Committee members were provided with copies of staff report BPS-00-163, dated November
28, 2000, recommending refusal of application DC 00/08/Q/LR under the Demolition Control
By-law.
Mr. L. Bensason, with the aid of a PowerPoint presentation, displayed photographs of the
buildings along Queen Street on this site. A copy of a concept plan for Phase II of the project,
showing live-work units along Queen Street South was also displayed. Mr. L. Bensason
reviewed the applicant's reasons for requesting demolition, as identified at this Committee's
October meeting. He pointed out staff's recommendation that the Demolition Control
Application be refused, as it is premature. He noted that originally, when this project was first
presented to Heritage Kitchener, the owners had advised that the Queen Street properties
would not be demolished until Phase II was ready to begin, and that Phase II would mimic the
pedestrian scale of the existing development. He advised that staff are concerned that Phase
II will not proceed.
Mr. G. Woolner circulated photographs of the current phase of construction on this site. He
advised that the two churches involved in this project, being two of the oldest churches in
downtown Kitchener, had a vision around housing an aging population. Initially they had
purchased these properties to create a parking lot for the churches. He advised that this is a
not-for-profit project which has taken a considerable amount of time and a great financial
commitment. Part of the owner's concern has been to stop the financial bleeding, suggesting
that the three Queen Street properties have been a financial concern because of damage and
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maintenance costs. Also, the purchasers In Phase I of this project have identified their
171 QUEEN STREET SOUTH - DEMOLITION APPLICATION - VICTORIA PARK AREA
HERITAGE CONSERVATION DISTRICT (CONT'D)
concerns that these houses, with their associated problems, will remain. He stated that 171
Queen Street South is now vacant and will be boarded up, which is to be done for practical
reasons, as they can then save money on taxes. He noted that this has not been an easy
decision.
Mr. Woolner then referred to the staff report stating that it is not entirely accurate. He
explained that the previous owners of 161 and 171 Queen Street South have salvage rights;
however, Sandhills plans to use bricks and windows from 171 to restore the Schmalz House at
189 Queen Street South.
When questioned by the Committee, Mr. Woolner advised that Phase I has 159 units which
are 70% sold and Phase II is proposed to have 120 units. They are also working on the
possibility of continuum care units in this project.
Mr. L. Bensason then reviewed the provisions of the Ontario Heritage Act and the City's
private legislation, noting that should Council refuse this application it would not prevent
demolition ultimately. It would prevent demolition until the applicant has building plans; noting
that refusal of this application will only prevent speculative demolition. When questioned as to
the proposed commencement of construction of Phase II of this project and restoration of the
Schmalz House, Mr. Woolner advised that timing had not been decided.
Mr. E. Lucy stated his concern that boarding up this building would be detrimental to the
streetscape. The Committee then discussed with Mr. Woolner the possibility of working with
another downtown agency, such as The Working Centre, to use this building for housing.
Following the discussion Mr. Bufe advised that this Committee's focus is heritage
preservation, and that this proposed demolition is premature and should be coincident with
the commencement of Phase II.
On motion by Ms. P. Wagner-
it was resolved:
"That pursuant to Section 42 of the Ontario Heritage Act, Council refuse the application of
the owner to demolish the designated property municipally known as 171 Queen Street
South, Kitchener, located in the Victoria Park Area Heritage Conservation District."
4. 173 WOOLNER DRIVE - PLAN OF SUBDIVISION
The Committee was in receipt of a memorandum from Mr. W. Pearce, Building Inspector, dated
October 31,2000, providing his opinion as to the condition of the house at 173 Woolner Drive and
the estimated costs of repairs to bring this house up to current standards.
Mr. L. Bensason with the aid of a PowerPoint presentation displayed photographs of the subject
property and a copy of the lotting and street plan for this portion of the proposed subdivision,
which will affect the buildings on the property. Mr. Bensason noted that this property is listed on
the Heritage Inventory, and although not proposed for demolition at this time, will ultimately be
demolished. He advised that the purpose in bringing this matter to the Committee is to obtain their
comments as to whether a Heritage Impact Assessment ought to be a condition of subdivision
approval. He noted that the Department of Business and Planning Services is leaning towards not
making it a requirement.
Mr. Bensason then advised that the building was constructed in approximately 1848 and is the
Mennonite Georgian style. The exterior is in good structural condition but the interior has been
substantially altered. The property owner has no intention of preserving the building as it stradles
the flood plain and there are severe slopes only a few feet from the main elevation of the house.
He noted Mr. Pearce's estimate of $118,500. to bring the house up to acceptable standards. He
also advised that the property is zoned Service Commercial. He stated that given the obstacles,
staff doubt that a Heritage Impact Assessment will be required.
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The Committee then discussed the significance of this property, Mr. P. Bufe suggesting that it
173 WOOLNER DRIVE - PLAN OF SUBDIVISION (CONT'D)
might be more saleable as Residential than Service Commercial. Ms. P. Wagner stated that this is
a stone structure that is still in good condition and could be used as a commercial office. She
stated that it is historically significant and was part of the Woolner farm, also noting that the
Committee previously passed a motion that Woolner Drive and Zeller Drive be designated as
Scenic Roads. She suggested that an Archaeological Assessment of this property be required.
Mr. W. Green, consultant for the property owner, was in attendance and advised that he had not
come to make a presentation but would be prepared to answer questions. He agreed that the
house is of interest because of its age and architecture but pointed out that there is a substantial
crack in the brickwork at the bottom right hand corner of the rear wall of the house. In response to
Ms. Wagner's remarks about an Archaeological Assessment, Mr. Green advised that the Region
of Waterloo will require an Archaeological Assessment.
A discussion then took place concerning Walking Trails and whether the building could be used as
a type of Community Centre. Mr. Green advised that there will be extensive trails in that area, but
not necessarily in the vicinity of the house.
On motion by Mr. P. Bufe -
it was resolved:
"That Heritage Kitchener does not recommend a Heritage Impact Assessment as a
condition of approval of the subdivision application relative to 173 Woolner Road,
Kitchener; and further,
That Heritage Kitchener requests staff explore all possibilities to preserve the buildings at
173 Woolner Road and report back to Heritage Kitchener."
GRANT SUPPORT FOR GRAND RIVER CONSERVATION AUTHORITY HERITAGE DAY
WORKSHOP
The Committee was in receipt of correspondence from Ms. B. Veale of the Grand River
Conservation Authority requesting financial support from Heritage Kitchener and the City of
Kitchener for the 4th Annual Heritage Day Workshop to be held at the Walper Terrace Hotel on
February 19, 2001. The Committee Administrator advised of a telephone conversation with Ms.
Veale where she advised that the amount of the grant request has been reduced to $3,000. as
they have obtained $2.000. from the Waterloo Regional Heritage Foundation.
On motion by Mr. P. Bufe -
it was resolved:
"That Heritage Kitchener supports the application of the Grand River Conservation
Authority for a grant in the amount of $3,000.00 for the Heritage Day Workshop to be
held at the Walper Terrace Hotel, 1 King Street West, on February 19, 2001 ."
BPS-00-156 PROPOSED MUNICIPAL HERITAGE PROPERTY GRANT PROGRAM
The Committee was in receipt of staff report BPS-00-156, dated November 9, 2000, which
describes and recommends a Municipal Heritage Property Grant program for owners of
designated properties under the Ontario Heritage Act. Mr. Bensason explained the proposed grant
program noting its similarity to the previous Provincial Grant program, with grants of up to $3,000.
per property per year, to a maximum of $15,000. per year. He advised that he will be seeking
Council's approval of this program and is requesting this Committee's endorsement.
Mr. E. Lucy questioned whether such a program would create ill will, as there are far more
designated properties than the funds could accommodate. Mr. Bensason noted that the funding is
typical of other Municipalities and suggested that the criteria for awarding the grants, urgent need
and structural need before aesthetics, will alleviate that problem. When questioned by Ms. P.
Wagner, Mr. Bensason advised that the program is not requested to commence until 2002
because of the time needed to develop criteria and promotional material.
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6. BPS-00-156 PROPOSED MUNICIPAL HERITAGE PROPERTY GRANT PROGRAM (CONT'D)
On motion by Mr. E. Lucy-
it was resolved:
"That Heritage Kitchener endorses the Heritage Property Grant Program as described and
recommended in staff report BPS-00-156, dated November 9, 2000."
7. WATERLOO COUNTY GOVERNOR'S HOUSE AND GAOL
Mr. Bensason gave notice that Regional staff will be appearing at Council on December 18, 2000
to object to this Committee's recommendation with respect to bars on eight windows of the Gaol.
Councillor M. Galloway left the meeting at this time and Ms. P. Wagner assumed the chair.
8. MIKE WAGNER HERITAGE AWARDS
Mr. L. Bensason advised that he has circulated pamphlets and nomination forms for the Mike
Wagner Heritage Awards to all owners of designated properties in the City of Kitchener, and the
deadline for submissions is Friday, December 15, 2000.
Mr. Bensason requested volunteers to form a sub-committee to shortlist the nominations and
Messrs. R. Green and P. Bufe volunteered.
The Committee discussed possible nominations for these awards and also for the Mike Wagner
Adaptive Re-use Awards.
On motion by Ms. G. Engel-
it was resolved:
"That should Mike Wagner Adaptive Re-use Awards be undertaken in 2001, the properties
at 72 Victoria Street South and 1188 Ottawa Street South be considered."
9. HURON ROAD BRIDGE RESTORATION
The Committee was in receipt of staff report PW-00-064, dated November 14, 2000, which had
been considered by Council at its meeting of November 27, 2000, with respect to the restoration
work undertaken by City staff on the Huron Road Bridge. Mr. Bensason gave a PowerPoint
presentation which had been presented at the Council meeting. He noted that the bridge is on the
Heritage Inventory.
10. INFORMATION ITEMS
Mr. L. Bensason advised that a Demolition Application has been received for the property
municipally known as 209 Frederick Street which is designated under the Ontario Heritage Act
along with 211-215, 219-221, and 223 Frederick Street and 122 Lancaster Street West. He noted
that the properties other than 209 Frederick Street are listed on the Heritage Inventory. Mr.
Bensason stated that the application was received on November 30th, and from that date there are
90 days in which Council can respond to the application. He noted that a Demolition Control
Application has also been submitted for these properties; staff will be preparing a report and the
Building Inspector will be inspecting these properties. He advised that the Demolition Application
for 209 Frederick Street will come back to this Committee at the January meeting.
Mr. L. Bensason briefly reviewed a proposed development in the region of Oregon Drive and the
50 foot natural buffer required, noting that the proponents are now requesting a reduction in the
buffer to 25 feet. He advised that they will be meeting with staff and communtiy representatives to
negotiate this reduction.
It was suggested that, at the January meeting, the Committee identify its objectives for the year.
Mr. P. Bufe raised the issue of an application to the Committee of Adjustment for a reduction in
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setback for the development of a large highrise at the corner of Queen and Weber Streets. Mr. L.
Bensason advised that a site plan application has been received for this property for the
development of two 8 story apartment buildings.
ADJOURNMENT
On a motion, the meeting adjourned at 2:40 p.m.
Dianne H. Gilchrist
Committee Administrator