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LOCAL ARCHITECTURAL CONSERVATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES
JUNE 10, 1994
CITY OF KITCHENER
The Local Architectural Conservation Advisory Committee met this date, under the Chairmanship of
Councillor M. Wagner, commencing at 12:05 p.m., with all members present except Ms. S. Burke and Mr.
V. Tarbutt.
Others present: Messrs. L. Bensason, T. Boutilier, Mr. G. Sosnoski and Mrs. D.H. Gilchrist.
1. CHAIRMAN'S REMARKS
Councillor M. Wagner advised the Committee that Council has not yet made a final decision on the use of
the Registry Building. A decision is expected at the Council meeting to take place on Monday June
13, 1994.
Councillor Wagner advised that a tour of the Governor's House and Gaol, which was to take place after
this meeting, has been postponed. It will be rescheduled for the July or August meeting and
members will be advised accordingly.
2. MINUTES
Mrs. G. Stoner noted the reference in the April minutes that attributed the idea of using the Gaol as a
restaurant to her. She advised that it was not her idea, but had been suggested some years ago by
someone else.
On motion by Mrs. G. Stoner
it was resolved:
"That the minutes of the regular meetings of the Local Architectural Conservation Advisory
Committee, of April 8, 1994, as amended, and May 13, 1994, as mailed to the
members, be approved."
3. RELOCATION - CULTURAL PROGRAMS BRANCH - MINISTRY OF CULTURE, TOURISM &
RECREATION
The Committee was in receipt of a memorandum from 9 L.A.C.A.C.'s requesting support for their
opposition to the relocation of the Cultural Programs Branch of the Ministry of Culture, Tourism &
Recreation to Niagara Falls. The memorandum asks each L.A.C.A.C. to contact their M.P.P.,
Minister Swarbrick and Premier Rae to express their concerns about this relocation.
On motion by Mrs. P. Wagner
it was resolved:
"That the City of Kitchener Local Architectural Conservation Advisory Committee is
opposed to the relocation of the Cultural Programs Branch of the Ministry of
Culture, Tourism & Recreation to Niagara Falls, Ontario, as it is expensive and ill
conceived."
The
DESIGNATED PROPERTY GRANT
Committee was provided with copies of a report from Mr. G. Sosnoski, Manager of Corporate
Records/Assistant City Clerk, dated June 7, 1994, concerning the 1993/1994 designated property
grant surplus. Mr. Sosnoski was in attendance and addressed the Committee advising that within
the last two days, the City had received an announcement from the Ministry of Culture, Tourism &
Recreation advising that the program will be extended into the next fiscal year in a similar manner to
the 1993/94 grant, with each municipality guaranteed an allocation equivalent to one full D.P.G.
grant with additional funding being dependent on the final demand and availability of funds. It was
also noted, in the announcement, that the Ministry has decided to limit each municipality's funding
request to a maximum of 5 projects.
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4. DESIGNATED PROPERTY GRANT - cont'd
The Committee then considered Mr. Sosnoski's recommendation. He advised the Committee that, once
the grant money from the 1993/94 program has been paid out, the account will still have a balance
of approximately $4,000.00. He advised that he had spoken with the Ministry and they have
advised that they will not be asking for the money to be returned, but it must be spent on the
program and within the rules and regulations of the program. Mr. Sosnoski suggested that the
surplus could be used to top up the 1993/94 grant to the maximum 50% of eligible costs to a
maximum of $3,000.00, after which there would still be money remaining.
Mr. Sosnoski also questioned how the Committee wished staff to proceed in soliciting applications for the
1994/95 D.P.G. grant, as it seemed unfair to solicit applications under the circumstances, only to
have to turn them down if the Ministry decides not to allocate more than one grant to the City of
Kitchener in the 1994/95 fiscal year. It was suggested that some staff and members were aware of
some owners with designated properties who had already made inquiries about applying for these
grants that they would be approached and given an opportunity to apply. It was noted, in the
announcement, that there will be only one opportunity to request funding, with municipalities to
submit their list of projects no later than July 16, 1994. It was also generally agreed that any surplus
in the account, after the 1993/94 grants had been paid out, would be used to augment the 1994/95
grant.
On motion by Mr. P. Bufe
it was resolved:
"That, after the June 17, 1994 submission deadline, any unexpended amount of the City's
1993/94 designated property grant allocation be apportioned on a pro-rated basis
and paid out to the property owners who were previously awarded 1993/94 grants
and completed work in accordance with the direction of Council; and further,
That any surplus money in the designated property grant account (S) be used to top-up the
approved 1993/94 grant, within the guidelines of the program, to a maximum of
50% of eligible costs to a maximum of $3,000.00; and further,
That the completion date for the 1994/95 designated property grant be set at the end of April
1995, with a waiting list of projects, which could be quickly approved after that date,
being established in the event there is a surplus; and further,
That all 1994/95 designated property grant applicants be required to indicate, in writing, no
later than the end of March, 1995, whether they intend to claim the grant awarded."
Mr. Sosnoski then advised the Committee of another grant program being offered by the Ministry of
Culture, Tourism & Recreation called the "Cultural Project Grant Program" which has just been
announced. This grant program offers 3 broad funding areas: training and leadership
development, organizational development and outreach and participation. A description of the
program was distributed to the members. It was noted that application deadlines are June 30, 1994
and October 31, 1994.
It was generally agreed that Ms. E. Esenbergs look at the program and meet with the Education Sub-
committee to determine an appropriate use for the grant.
5. DOON SOUTH-BRIGADOON TRANSPORTATION NETWORK STUDY
Mr. T. Boutilier, Manager of Heritage, Design and Environment was in attendance to update the
Committee as to what has been happening with the Transportation Study since April, when Council
refused Alternative B. Mr. Boutilier displayed a map of the area showing the Alternative E which
was favourable to the study team, which includes Mr. V. Tarbutt, the
5. DOON SOUTH-BRIGADOON TRANSPORTATION NETWORK STUDY - cont'd
L.A.C.A.C. representative on the study team. Mr. Boutilier explained the alternative being recommended.
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Copies of a memorandum from Mr. V. Tarbutt, dated June 10, 1994, were distributed to the Committee
members and Mr. Boutilier explained that he was in attendance today in place of Mr. Tarbutt, who is
on vacation. The Committee considered Mr. Tarbutt's memorandum, which recommends that this
Committee endorse Alternative E and the accompanying recommendations prepared by Planning
staff.
A lengthy discussion took place on this proposal. Mrs. P. Wagner questioned what advice Mr. Boutilier
could suggest to protect heritage homes from detrimental treatment caused by the realignment of
these roads. Mr. Boutilier advised that nothing in the plan would jeopardize these heritage homes.
Councillor T. Galloway advised that he is pleased with the outcome and that the Caryndale Community
will be minimally impacted. Also, the future of scenic roads will be greatly enhanced. He suggested
that the Committee not be concerned with the Reidel Drive issue, as he does not agree with the
Ministry of Natural Resources concerns, and the Grand River Conservation Authority is very much
in favour of this alternative. The right-of-way for that collector is a concern but the report states that
it will be a two lane facility with appropriate bus bays and bike lanes. It will be well-used and that is
why there is a need for bus bays and bicycle paths. He offered his thanks for the work of Mr. V.
Tarbutt for attending the meeting and the detailed report.
On motion by Councillor T. Galloway
it was resolved:
"That the Local Architectural Conservation Advisory Committee endorses
Alternative E of the Doon South-Brigadoon Transportation Network Study, as
shown on the plan prepared by McCormick-Rankin and the accompanying
recommendations prepared by the Department of Planning & Development."
6. STRATEGIC PLAN
Copies of the revised Strategic Plan were distributed to the Committee members. Mr. L. Bensason
reviewed the changes made and requested that the Committee approve the Strategic Plan as
submitted this date. The Strategic Plan was contained on pages 1-5 of the document circulated this
date, with pages 7-8 and the accompanying chart containing "Strategic Priorities by Key Activity
Areas (1994 - 1998)". Mr. Bensason asked that the L.A.C.A.C. sub-committees review these
priorities before the next meeting, at which time he would request that they be approved by the
Committee. If any of the members feel that changes to the priorities need to be made, they are
requested to contact Mr. Bensason prior to the July meeting.
The question was raised as to whether this Committee's recommendations should go before Planning &
Economic Development Committee or directly to City Council. It was suggested that members of
the Committee make a presentation to either, depending on what decision this Committee makes as
to which body to report to. It was suggested by Councillor Wagner that this Committee report
directly to Council.
On motion by Mrs. P. Wagner
it was resolved:
"That we approve, in principle, the Local Architectural Conservation Advisory
Committee's Strategic Plan, subject to final approval of the "Strategic Priorities by
Key Activity Areas" at the meeting scheduled for July 8, 1994."
It was agreed that a final decision on the body to which this recommendation is to be presented will be
made at the July meeting.
7. EVALUATION SUB-COMMITTEE
Mr. L. Bensason addressed the Committee asking for their approval of the methodology, criteria and
forms developed by the Evaluation Sub-committee. He distributed several different forms as
follows: 1. Guide for the Site Survey Team, 2. Report on the Inventory Collection Policy Plan 3.
Criteria for Listing Your Property 4. Methodology for Listing Your Property 5. Dating Evaluation
Form 6. Street Description Form. Mr. Bensason advised that the 9 proposed Heritage
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Conservation District Plan areas will be the next areas to be recorded, as they have already been
determined to be significant.
Mrs. P. Wagner stated that she is opposed to having non-L.A.C.A.C, members on this sub-committee. It
is her opinion that the experts should come before the full committee for so all can learn. Mr. P.
Bufe agreed with Mrs. Wagner in this regard.
Councillor M. Wagner advised that he has no objection to having experts coming before the sub-
committee; however they should not be permanent members of the sub-committee. They should be
rotated and brought in as needed.
Councillor T. Galloway was of the opinion that the experts should be made ex-officio members of the sub-
committee. Mr. L. Bensason suggested that only L.A.C.A.C. members be permitted voting rights on
the sub-committee.
Mr. D. Parrish advised that he, Ms. S. Burke and Mr. V. Tarbutt feel that the experts should be full
members of the sub-committee. A further discussion took place on this matter.
On motion by Ms. E. Esenbergs
it was resolved:
"That the L.A.C.A.C. Evaluation Sub-Committee be composed of four members of
the Local Architectural Conservation Advisory Committee, two of whom are
members of the Strategic Plan Sub-Committee, the heritage planner as an ex-
officio member and advisors, in an ex-officio capacity, as required."
On motion by Mr. D. Parrish
it was resolved:
"That the Inventory Collection Policy Plan, dated June 10, 1994, as prepared by
the Strategic Plan Sub-Committee, save and except the Evaluation Sub-Committee
Make-up, be approved."
Mr. Bensason then advised that at every L.A.C.A.C. meeting he would review the next area to be
recorded. The next area to be recorded will be the area north of Victoria Park. He distributed
packages to the Site Survey Team and explained what was in these packages.
Mrs. P. Wagner asked that Mr. P. Bufe provide the Committee members with a print-out of this computer
program on buildings erected in Kitchener prior to 1916.
Councillor M. Wagner congratulated the Strategic Plan Sub-committee on a fantastic piece of work.
8. 30 FRANCIS STREET SOUTH
Mr. L. Bensason advised the Committee that he has been in contact with the owner of the property. The
building has been vacant for some time and has been vandalized. The current owners want to
demolish the property and use it for a parking lot. Mr. Bensason advised them of the current zoning
and bonusing and they have allowed him to investigate possibilities for the property.
9.INTENT TO DEMOLISH - 19 DURHAM STREET
The Committee was advised that the proposed purchaser of this property intends to demolish the
building, which is on the Heritage Inventory. The Committee was in receipt of a property report for
this property and a report to Mr. L. Bensason from Mr. W. Pearce, Programs Inspector, was
distributed at the meeting. The Committee members were also provided with copies of a letter from
Mrs. J. Haalboom on behalf of the Society for the Preservation of Upper Doon, advising of their
concerns over the request to demolish.
Mr. Bensason advised that there are several choices to consider including, demolition, designation,
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moving the building, preserving the building; however the Building Inspector thinks that the building
is not sound and should be demolished. He advised that the proposed purchaser wants to know
L.A.C.A.C.'s position before buying the property.
Mr. W. Ristau advised that he can confirm what Mr. Pearce advises, except that he thinks the building is
salvageable.
Mr. D. Parrish stated that this is strictly a tear-down proposition based on the lot. The building could last
500 years the way it is but it is not possible to work with the building as the walls are very twisted.
The structure is not moveable and the lot is very tight to work with.
Mr. P. Bufe suggested that this Committee should be determining whether the building is worthy of
designation. Mr. Bensason should be requested to investigate whether the site can be developed
the way the owner wants.
On motion by Mrs. G. Stoner
it was resolved:
"That Mr. L. Bensason investigate the options involved in developing the property
at 19 Durham Street and report to the Local Architectural Conservation Advisory
Committee at their July meeting."
10. 314 OLD CHICOPEE ROAD
Mr. Bensason advised the Committee that a delegation had indicated that they wished to appear before
this Committee this date, concerning the Millar House, 314 Old Chicopee Road; however no one
has appeared at the meeting. Copies of the property report prepared in 1992 by Mr. E. Bow and
Mrs. P. Wagner were distributed for the Committee's information. It was agreed to defer
consideration of this matter to the July meeting.
11 .SCENIC ROADS - EDUCATION WORKSHOP
Ms. K. Hammond of the University of Waterloo was in attendance to give a workshop on work done by
herself and students on defining scenic roads, views and vistas.
Mr. L. Bensason explained that it would be desirable to take advantage of the expertise and work already
done. He suggested the students be hired by L.A.C.A.C. to map out viewsheds and scenic roads in
the municipal plan.
On motion by Ms. E. Esenbergs
it was resolved:
"That Councillor M. Wagner and Mr. L. Bensason be permitted to develop a project
on the mapping and identifying of viewsheds for the scenic roads identified in the
City of Kitchener municipal plan; and further,
That the students be required to make a formal report and presentation to the
Local Architectural Conservation Advisory Committee when the process has been
completed."
12.HARRY CLASS POOL DESIGNATION CEREMONY
The
Committee members were provided with copies of a proposed concept and activity ideas for the
Heritage Designation Ceremony for the Harry Class Pool. It has been agreed that the ceremony will
take place on July 16, 1994. Mr. Ristau advised that Parks & Recreation staff are willing to do most
of the organization with respect to the day's event; however, he required some assistance with
dealing with the media. It was suggested that Mr. Ristau contact Ms. L. Fryfogel in the Mayor's
Office and Ms. C. Oliver in the Parks & Recreation Department for assistance in this regard. Ms. M.
Welsh agreed to assist Mr. Ristau with other aspects of the event. It was also suggested that some
members of L.A.C.A.C. wear old-fashioned bathing suits for the event and the Committee generally
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agreed to an expenditure of approximately $100.00 for the bathing costumes.
13. FIRST MENNONITE CHURCH AND CEMETERY
Ms. J. Kramer reported on the First Mennonite Church and Cemetery which had been discussed at the
Committee's last meeting. She advised that they are not included in the heritage inventory.
On motion by Ms. J. Kramer
it was resolved:
"That the First Mennonite Church and Cemetery be added to the heritage
inventory."
14. NEXT MEETING
The next regularly scheduled meeting of the Local Architectural Conservation Advisory Committee will
take place on Friday, July 8, 1994, at 12:00 noon, in the Conestoga Room, Main Floor, Kitchener
City Hall.
15.ADJOURNMENT
On motion the meeting adjourned at 3:45 p.m.
Dianne H. Gilchrist
Committee Secretary